mubu;3952731; said:Indos still look better than Thinbars.
i prefer Thin bars i think they're more stable than IT's. But regardless they all look stunning.
Will NTT's get more rare than IT's?
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i prefer Thin bars i think they're more stable than IT's. But regardless they all look stunning.
Regarding NTTs, I’m no expert but I believe they are synonyms to Thai water ways, (probably Cambodia too). Knowing how Thais, (and SEA people in general) fish and eat everything they catch, I would suggest they are going to become rare very soon. I still have only word of mouth for breeding and it’s all about ITs, not NTTs. As I wrote, here in Bangkok there are too many ITs for me to believe they’re all wild caught. There are not a lot of NTTs and they all tend to be bigger than the tiny ITs, so I would speculate they are wild caught. It’s very common for poor folk to put nets across swims in all rivers; they even do it in ponds in Bangkok. They do it for food.
The only other explanation I can think of that would tally with the numbers of ITs is they are harvested from the wild. Possibly they breed in the same areas every year and fishermen catch them before they get eaten by other fish. But that is just my own speculation and as, if not more, unsubstantiated than vendors telling me they’re farm bred.
Personally I have a 205 Gal (60 x 30 footprint), I have one smaller than most RTG, 6 clown loaches and 1 NTT. I’m thinking of getting 2 more NTTs to put in my tank.
The only other explanation I can think of that would tally with the numbers of ITs is they are harvested from the wild. Possibly they breed in the same areas every year and fishermen catch them before they get eaten by other fish. But that is just my own speculation and as, if not more, unsubstantiated than vendors telling me they’re farm bred.
Personally I have a 205 Gal (60 x 30 footprint), I have one smaller than most RTG, 6 clown loaches and 1 NTT. I’m thinking of getting 2 more NTTs to put in my tank.
classic-chassis;3954558; said:
As far as I know, all IT from my country is wild caught. If you see many babies indo available, and if it makes you think they are captive breed babies, you are wrong.
This season, IT is very abundant and all wild caught. I remember it was about 4-5 years ago where ITs were also abundant, but as far as I remember, this year is the most abundant IT season. I personally keep about 300 babies
But.......considering no known parameter for captive breed and deforestation in borneo and sumatera river bank, it's most likely that IT will have same destiny as ST unless some research are taken to make em breed in captivity
iinkeren;3967106; said:As far as I know, all IT from my country is wild caught. If you see many babies indo available, and if it makes you think they are captive breed babies, you are wrong.
This season, IT is very abundant and all wild caught. I remember it was about 4-5 years ago where ITs were also abundant, but as far as I remember, this year is the most abundant IT season. I personally keep about 300 babies
But.......considering no known parameter for captive breed and deforestation in borneo and sumatera river bank, it's most likely that IT will have same destiny as ST unless some research are taken to make em breed in captivity
Believe it or not?!?
As I saw one of my lfs's supplier list yesterday, Indo datnoids are listed ban
iinkeren;3967106; said:As far as I know, all IT from my country is wild caught. If you see many babies indo available, and if it makes you think they are captive breed babies, you are wrong.
This season, IT is very abundant and all wild caught. I remember it was about 4-5 years ago where ITs were also abundant, but as far as I remember, this year is the most abundant IT season. I personally keep about 300 babies
But.......considering no known parameter for captive breed and deforestation in borneo and sumatera river bank, it's most likely that IT will have same destiny as ST unless some research are taken to make em breed in captivity
Interesting. Thanks for sharing.
As you may have read from CChassis's thread, the sellors in Thailand are suggesting the small baby indos are "un-natural" / Farmbred. Clearly not the same as Indo, if what you say is true.....
Fishes33;3967125; said:Believe it or not?!?
As I saw one of my lfs's supplier list yesterday, Indo datnoids are listed ban
Interesting, as thre are 1000's in the US states, (this is what some members have posted recently.) I presume you are located in the US.
F33, if its not too much trouble, can you ask the guys at your LFS about this list you saw? see what they say? Ask if the Indos are banned from export from Indo, Thailand or from all pacific rim countires.
iinkeren;3967106; said:As far as I know, all IT from my country is wild caught. If you see many babies indo available, and if it makes you think they are captive breed babies, you are wrong.
This season, IT is very abundant and all wild caught. I remember it was about 4-5 years ago where ITs were also abundant, but as far as I remember, this year is the most abundant IT season. I personally keep about 300 babies
But.......considering no known parameter for captive breed and deforestation in borneo and sumatera river bank, it's most likely that IT will have same destiny as ST unless some research are taken to make em breed in captivity
wow.
Ade;3967272; said:
I am in Canada, the list is from Thailand
We got freak out and was told to store up as many as we can.
Also, was told to store up as many Tigrinus as we can too (they are very hard to get now)
^ I think you might be mistaken or the list is incorrect. STs are definitely banned for export from Thailand and have been for a long time. NTTs i'm not so sure about but looking at the lack of them compared to ITs here it would not surprise me if they too had been added to the list.
iinkeren that's really inteesting, I think most people who are writing on these type of threads are just looking for answers and are genuinely interested. Can you tell us more regrading the capture process of tiny indos? how do they pull so many, small ITs out of the water with out destroying other species numbers, or the mature Dat numbers.
The fish i saw here were 2cm long. how long do you think they were hatched?
I am aware of smuggling here, just yesterday a load of rare corral was ceased at the main airport which came from Indonesia, but I'm still surprised how so many can be brought in though the back door and then sold so cheaply, even cheap enough for export.
iinkeren that's really inteesting, I think most people who are writing on these type of threads are just looking for answers and are genuinely interested. Can you tell us more regrading the capture process of tiny indos? how do they pull so many, small ITs out of the water with out destroying other species numbers, or the mature Dat numbers.
The fish i saw here were 2cm long. how long do you think they were hatched?
I am aware of smuggling here, just yesterday a load of rare corral was ceased at the main airport which came from Indonesia, but I'm still surprised how so many can be brought in though the back door and then sold so cheaply, even cheap enough for export.
