and while i'm on this topic about how great Li is to run this whole thing, I remember a few months back a forum was having several issues with costs, member drama, etc (not a fish forum). then one day out of the blue the owner shut the whole site down. no warning, nothing. the whole site was gone, all the posts, threads, pictures, information, GONE! and nobody was able to ever retrieve any of it again. needlessly to say it shocked the entire community that followed that site. not saying that will happen here, but it's just something to think about.