Would you say this is a Trimac?

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I think worrying about people selling cross breeds is past a point of no return by now, people know with midas at least unless you have a trusted origin then you cant be sure...

Unfortunately, most people don't know, which IMO is why one should continue to educate about these fish and their potential hybrid crosses, and what the ultimate long term results can be in this hobby.

Sure, the vast majority of people that have spent some time in the CA folder on MFK know about CA hybrids, but still we have new members ask every month to ID their hybrid rd/midas cross. Those same questions have been asked for years, even with all the threads, posts, and even stickys on this subject - yet still eventually someone will ask, again.

And keep in mind that for every member that reads these threads, possibly hundreds or even thousands of non members will also eventually read these same discussions, sometimes years after the fact. MFK is high up on the google search engine so its not just the regulars of the forum that read these discussions.

As far as some fish being easier to get mixed up. Unfortunately with genetics things aren't that simplistic. The offspring of two different species can look like one of the parents, a mix of both of the parents, or nothing at all like either parent. I've seen two fish that appeared to be the same species breed true and produce hundreds, perhaps thousands of offspring, then one day toss out a genetic throw back to an earlier obvious cross breeding. This is why keeping lines pure is so important, and why unless you have a trusted origin you can't be sure of anything, no matter the species.

Of course this is no problem for those that aren't breeding, and/or distributing the fry.
 
Ok, well that makes sense. Cant even trust lfs when it comes to midas/rd.. in the uk its alot harder than the usa, prob once a year we get a specialist on aquarist-classfieds do a rapps order, genuine cichlids here are like hens teeth it seems... makes you wonder if a jag is a jag or a synspilum is just that!?

1 vote for an uk rapps/coa/conkal franchise! -)

Cichlids will soon be as far from pure as the different species or dogs are from the wolf! At least we know that any hardcore keepers can (at least in the usa) get pure strains and probably always will be able too.

I will be choosing to call my girl a trimac hybrid I think!-)
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The vast majority of LFS midas and RD's are most likely mutts to some degree or another. Take a look at the number of hybrids on this vendors page, and this is one of the largest suppliers in the USA, with many of their fish originating from Asia. And that's just a small sample of the hybrids that they sell to LFS's across the US.

http://www.segrestfarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalog.viewgroup&groupID=157


I've seen many fader flowerhorn that could easily be passed off as midas, so this is a lot more problematic than one might realize, especially when you mix in unscrupulous vendors and/or hobbyists. I suspect that there have been a ton of low grade ZZ flowerhorn that have been passed off as pure trimac over the years here in North America.
 
The offspring of two different species can look like one of the parents, a mix of both of the parents, or nothing at all like either parent.
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This is very true. Here is a picture of my Mini who passed away this year. Although her parents were the same species (obviously, lol), they were from two very different looking breeds. Mother was a Yorkie and father was a Chihuahua. However, Mini came out looking like her mother while some of her siblings looked like they belonged in Beverly Hills Chihuahua 4, and still some looked nothing like either parent. Here are some pics of Mini, she was half chihuahua, yet clearly her Yorkie genes are dominant. No one ever believed us when we told them she was half chihuahua....
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The vast majority of LFS midas and RD's are most likely mutts to some degree or another. Take a look at the number of hybrids on this vendors page, and this is one of the largest suppliers in the USA, with many of their fish originating from Asia. And that's just a small sample of the hybrids that they sell to LFS's across the US.

http://www.segrestfarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalog.viewgroup&groupID=157


I've seen many fader flowerhorn that could easily be passed off as midas, so this is a lot more problematic than one might realize, especially when you mix in unscrupulous vendors and/or hobbyists. I suspect that there have been a ton of low grade ZZ flowerhorn that have been passed off as pure trimac over the years here in North America.

Sorry to derail, but segrestfarms have their parrot fish listed as Amphilophus labiatus x Heros severus...IRC, this is not correct, right?
 
Sorry to hear about Mini, I too would have never guessed she was part Chihuahua. We own a Miniature Schnauzer, Chihuahua cross, that also didn't turn out like any of her siblings. She was the only black dog in the bunch, and when her hair is clipped she looks like a Chihuahua, and when it grows out she looks like a very small min Schnauzer. lol

As far as the origin of Blood Parrots, I believe that for the most part they are the crossing of a midas/red devil (possibly midevils), and a synspilum. It can become complicated though, read this and you'll know as much as I do on the subject. :)

http://parrotcichlid.com/history
 
Thanks Rd, she was a cutie :(
I bet your Chizer is a handful...Chihuahuas and Schnauzers have TONS of personality!

And I am just about to start reading that link on parrotcichlid history....lots of misinformation out there...thanks!
 
Whats sad is I feel I cant even trust my most impressive lfs with midas and now trimac, they currently have a very impressive stock inc archer fish, true fresh water moray, true parrots, chocolates, wide bar dollars, black arowana, armies, birchir, snakeheads, almost any fish ive seen on here I have seen on here... there stock I imagine comes from the same place as yours, probably the far east fish farms....
now I question my new Midas and im not allowed to call it a midas here really, cichlids in the U.K suck sometimes.

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Thing with dogs is, they are not different species.
All dogs, whether beagle or greyhound, St Bernard or toy poodle are Canis lupus familiaris, just different breeds, much as tiger, long fin or red oscar are all Astronotus occellatus, and all variations of Betta "splendens" are the same species.
Sorry to hear about Mini, hard to lose.
Mini is the same species as mine no matter what the size or look.
 
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