WTF!! I mean she is a freaking Biology Teacher!!!!

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Tell her that keeping a turtle in a small cage doesn't stunt its growth, but keeping it unhealthy does. Keeping a fish in a small tank won't stunt its growth; it's that the water has a higher concentration of waste and other pollutants because the keeper is doing a poor job--it has nothing to do with tank size and everything to do with a lazy, misinformed, or cruel keeper.

If she doesn't pay attention to you, you need to start blatantly questioning her credibility as a biology teacher to her face, to the principal, and to the school board. Whether anyone will take you seriously, I can't say. Hopefully you can get some other students to join you and help out.

Other than that, there really is not much you can do. You can try to have her charged with cruelty to animals, and though it's a noble cause, I doubt it would come to much. It's hard enough even to have people who smash puppies on the ground convicted of animal cruelty and sent to prison for more than 30 days, where I live anyway, because people are going to get up in arms that "oh it was just a puppy" and "we let pedophiles roam the streets! Why are we worrying about someone who killed a puppy?" and on and on. So yeah it would be quite a fight and I encourage you to go as far as you can, but you need to be heavily prepared with research, respected contacts in the herpetology and animal rights fields, etc. Who knows...if you did a good enough job, you might help get people started on the slippery slope from treating reptiles as if they feel no pain and as if they are at best a novelty to be disposed of when it expires and at worst an inconvenience to be killed with the nearest shovel...to seeing them as real creatures who eat, breathe, drink water, and feel pain, as well as playing an important part in their ecosystems--animals that deserve to be treated with respect.

I'm still waiting for the day when it becomes illegal for pet stores and flea market vendors to give away "free turtles with purchase of habitat!"

Anyway, good luck, and if you want any more advice or information, PM me and I'll see how I can help.
 
I would email her a care sheet..... simple as that..
 
Nic;1069933; said:
I would email her a care sheet..... simple as that..

At the most or as someone said tell another biology teacher and ask their advice.

The part where you can get in trouble is even though she is a teacher she is still human and liable to think you're being too nosy/embarassing her/etc and have prejudice against you when it comes to grading time or other matters in the class.
 
Think your letter was good and said in the correct manner... there is no point being an arse about it. I've had my fair share of clashes with teachers in the wrong, and if you go about it in the wrong way it doesn't get you anywhere... and like it or not, as you said one day you might need a reference or help etc. Just continue what you are doing in a polite manner, and if the problem isn't resolved maybe go to an independant counciler or someone higher up and ask that something be done. Only other thing to suggest is that you take the turtle of her hands...
I had a very intelligent bio teacher who did lots of great post doc. work on breast cancer... doesn't mean she'd be able to look after my fish/reptile collection. Must admit though, someone in her position should know a lot better.
 
Go to the principle or school board and explain any biology teacher worth the money to employ knows 1) turtules DON'T grow to their tank size they just grow, and explain the setup she has it in.
Or what I would due is find the cutest real looking stuffed dog, cat, ect. Stuff in jar set it on her desk and tell her its ok, when the dog stops growing it will be fine and if not it will just have to stay still like her turtule.
You could also look up pics there is a guy in the states that does this with real cats and sells them online (been shut down twice but keeps poping back up) Print a buch off and ask here to explain how the cat and turtule are diffrent, and why (I asume they will hate the cat thing) it's ok for her turtle but not a cat.
Thats what I'd do but I never really cared much about getting in trouble when I was a kid, If I thought you were wrong and I could prove it I would even if it had ramifications later on.
 
The bonsai kitten thing was just a hoax.

Anyway, sorry about my rant earlier...I'm not trying to discourage you at all. Your letter was good and by all means try to help the turtle. No animal, human or non-human (well probably some humans), deserves to be treated like that.
 
Here is a suggestion that is a pretty gentle way of doing things...,
Find and print out care sheet for that type (or closely related) turtles.
Find and print out an article on calcium deficiency related disorders, as well as some relating to uv deprivation disordes, and something on bacterial disorders related to unclean water conditions.
If you can find something on the evils of deliberately stunting reptile growth it would also be approppriate to innclude that.
Preface it with a cover sheet and an introduction concerning the ethical treatment of animals (not to preachy or condemning).
End with a decent summary and bibliography.
Format it nicely and place it in a clear plastic binder.
Thats right, treat it like a professional research paper and before class give it to her while asking her to go over your info, explaning that you hope to become a herpetologist.

Give the turtle a reptile light (and filter if required), Just do it, don't wait for her to or ask permission.
 
I would like to give you some advice based on my many years of experience in the field of education. Ask to meet with your teacher at her convenience about some ideas you have. Make sure to be a good student in class and do what you are asked before the meeting. At the meeting, present your research and offer it to her. Tell her your personal story and your passion for the hobby and your future profession. Ask if you could work with her on setting up a place for the turtle to take up residence. Show her a drawing of the new setup. Offer to start a club in order to get other students interested in her class. I will also offer anY assistance possible with equipment. Letters are fine, but face to face, eye to eye, is the way to handle this situation. If all else fails, ask her if you can adopt the turtle and move it elsewhere, possibly another classroom where you have developed a positive relationship with another teacher, it doesn't have to be a science room.

Your new club could do a fundraiser to purchase new equipment for the turtle and possibly other projects. Don't give up, be positive, and get involved in your school by taking a leadership role. Please keep me posted and let me know if you need any help.

One last thought, I wouldn't go to the principal or school board yet. If she is not responsive, have one of your parents contact her to ask her why she is not "lighting fires" in her classroom, educators should never attempt to turn off students and their passion. If you nurture this student-teacher relationship, you may make a life long friend. By the way, you need to get a teaching certificate after graduation and become the teacher you want right now!

One last comment for now, have you ever seen an unhealthy doctor. The answer is yes, but that doesn't make them a terrible doctor. I'm sure your teacher is extremely knowledgeable in the field of biology. Sometimes even the best teachers miss the mark on teachable moments, especially during the first week of school.

KEEP ME POSTED!
 
ksfishguy;1071397; said:
I would like to give you some advice based on my many years of experience in the field of education. Ask to meet with your teacher at her convenience about some ideas you have. Make sure to be a good student in class and do what you are asked before the meeting. At the meeting, present your research and offer it to her. Tell her your personal story and your passion for the hobby and your future profession. Ask if you could work with her on setting up a place for the turtle to take up residence. Show her a drawing of the new setup. Offer to start a club in order to get other students interested in her class. I will also offer anY assistance possible with equipment. Letters are fine, but face to face, eye to eye, is the way to handle this situation. If all else fails, ask her if you can adopt the turtle and move it elsewhere, possibly another classroom where you have developed a positive relationship with another teacher, it doesn't have to be a science room.

Your new club could do a fundraiser to purchase new equipment for the turtle and possibly other projects. Don't give up, be positive, and get involved in your school by taking a leadership role. Please keep me posted and let me know if you need any help.

One last thought, I wouldn't go to the principal or school board yet. If she is not responsive, have one of your parents contact her to ask her why she is not "lighting fires" in her classroom, educators should never attempt to turn off students and their passion. If you nurture this student-teacher relationship, you may make a life long friend. By the way, you need to get a teaching certificate after graduation and become the teacher you want right now!

One last comment for now, have you ever seen an unhealthy doctor. The answer is yes, but that doesn't make them a terrible doctor. I'm sure your teacher is extremely knowledgeable in the field of biology. Sometimes even the best teachers miss the mark on teachable moments, especially during the first week of school.

KEEP ME POSTED!

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Ok well me and my dad had revised my letter again. and it addresses to her if she would like to talk i would be available.

here is the revised.
http://www.freewebs.com/turtlecomplaint/revisedletter.htm



ksfishguy;1071397; said:
I would like to give you some advice based on my many years of experience in the field of education. Ask to meet with your teacher at her convenience about some ideas you have. Make sure to be a good student in class and do what you are asked before the meeting. At the meeting, present your research and offer it to her. Tell her your personal story and your passion for the hobby and your future profession. Ask if you could work with her on setting up a place for the turtle to take up residence. Show her a drawing of the new setup. Offer to start a club in order to get other students interested in her class. I will also offer anY assistance possible with equipment. Letters are fine, but face to face, eye to eye, is the way to handle this situation. If all else fails, ask her if you can adopt the turtle and move it elsewhere, possibly another classroom where you have developed a positive relationship with another teacher, it doesn't have to be a science room.

Your new club could do a fundraiser to purchase new equipment for the turtle and possibly other projects. Don't give up, be positive, and get involved in your school by taking a leadership role. Please keep me posted and let me know if you need any help.

One last thought, I wouldn't go to the principal or school board yet. If she is not responsive, have one of your parents contact her to ask her why she is not "lighting fires" in her classroom, educators should never attempt to turn off students and their passion. If you nurture this student-teacher relationship, you may make a life long friend. By the way, you need to get a teaching certificate after graduation and become the teacher you want right now!

One last comment for now, have you ever seen an unhealthy doctor. The answer is yes, but that doesn't make them a terrible doctor. I'm sure your teacher is extremely knowledgeable in the field of biology. Sometimes even the best teachers miss the mark on teachable moments, especially during the first week of school.

KEEP ME POSTED!

johnptc;1071477; said:

John i still cant thank you enough
 
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