ok i take that back, the gar was in a tank with four turtles and a plec... no running filter for past three months and no wc for 6 months.... thats how he told it, honestly visibility in the tank was down to 5"... just glad i saved the gar!he is a bit bash up in the fins, i asume from the turtles.... but over all i think he will be fin! just like to thank every one once again for your help on this one!!! and i will of corse get pics up in a lil bit once he has settled in!!!