Best food for fish argument
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760fish where'd you hear that 1 pellet is = to 1.8 goldfish ?
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The only problem I see with synthetic vitamins is that most are isolates of a complex. Without the entire complex and only one isolate you have decreased absorption and bioavailability. Sometimes you need 1000x the daily recommended amount to get a similar effect. (You'll see this on labels) Then toxicity issues arise because of the amount ingested.
Synthetic supplements are great to supplement, but for primary nutrition often lead to deficiencies and toxicity issues. We see this with human vitamin companies in my industry, now more health conscious companies like standard process are making whole food extracts which provide entire vitamin complexes instead of synthetic, incomplete, vitamin isolates. With a whole complex of vitamin C for example, you need a fraction of the massive amounts of ascorbic acid put in synthetic supplements and products.
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Synthetic supplements are great to supplement, but for primary nutrition often lead to deficiencies and toxicity issues. We see this with human vitamin companies in my industry, now more health conscious companies like standard process are making whole food extracts which provide entire vitamin complexes instead of synthetic, incomplete, vitamin isolates. With a whole complex of vitamin C for example, you need a fraction of the massive amounts of ascorbic acid put in synthetic supplements and products.
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http://www.hikariusa.com/diets/massivore-delite/
Which doesn't tell you anything beyond the kcal of each pellet. They also cannot tell each fish keeper how much carbohydrate is useable for their fish, as no such data exists. It probably looks impressive for those that feed goldfish feeders though .......
Which doesn't tell you anything beyond the kcal of each pellet. They also cannot tell each fish keeper how much carbohydrate is useable for their fish, as no such data exists. It probably looks impressive for those that feed goldfish feeders though .......
Diesel, what you have stated has never been a problem within the fish food industry, at least not for a few decades now. Plenty of research has taken place, and plenty of data exists. Most fish food manufacturers do not use synthetic supplements as as source of primary nutrition, at least the good ones don't, so bioavailability is not such a big issue. The vitamins are in place as a security blanket of sorts, to hopefully supplement when & where needed.
As an example, Ascorbic acid is seldom used by any manufacturers these days, what is used is far more stable, and for more effective at much smaller dosage rates. (L-ascorbyl-2-poly phosphate)
How much a fish requires is not only species dependent, but also dependent on the age/growth stage of the fish, the stress levels of the fish, etc-etc. No matter what anyone feeds these types of nutrient levels cannot be measured out in exact quantities. I don't think that anyone has to be worried about vitamin toxicity isues when using commercial feed, most are under supplemented IMHO.
As an example, Ascorbic acid is seldom used by any manufacturers these days, what is used is far more stable, and for more effective at much smaller dosage rates. (L-ascorbyl-2-poly phosphate)
How much a fish requires is not only species dependent, but also dependent on the age/growth stage of the fish, the stress levels of the fish, etc-etc. No matter what anyone feeds these types of nutrient levels cannot be measured out in exact quantities. I don't think that anyone has to be worried about vitamin toxicity isues when using commercial feed, most are under supplemented IMHO.
Thank you for teaching me something RD. My experience is in the human pharmaceutical industry, and as a CNS so I speak from experience and case studies in my industry.
It's a stretch for me to correlate between fish and humans. With a quality pellet, with animal parts as the majority ingredients not fillers and synthetics, I think you're correct. All pellets aren't created equal so choosing a quality staple is important.
Might have to try this NLS stuff you're always talking about.
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It's a stretch for me to correlate between fish and humans. With a quality pellet, with animal parts as the majority ingredients not fillers and synthetics, I think you're correct. All pellets aren't created equal so choosing a quality staple is important.
Might have to try this NLS stuff you're always talking about.
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