If you saving money on the sponges and and shrimp (cleaner) why not throw In some fish food now and then?
Keeping and Swimming With Sharks?
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well some fish are still capable if nibbling down anemone's, not sure if you're triggers are one of those or not.iHammer;4376929; said:
as for the turf war thing i didn't mean they'd pick a fight with the shark, rather Large Angel vs. Large Angel or Tang vs. Tang etc... you always run that chance of major fights breaking out amongst those species, granted the massive size of the tank reduces those risks greatly.
as for the shark eating other fish i cannot help as i've never maintained one and therefore don't truly know what they are capable of in terms of eating others.
i just think that with the shrimp (the brine especially), fish are hard wired to gorge themselves when food is present and thus would keep depleting the system and you would have to almost constantly restock the populations. just seems like a lot of hassle (and $) to avoid manual feedingsiHammer;4379206; said:
With so many tangs and such i think it'd almost be more reasonable to try to establish a major crop of fast growing algae on which they could feed, but even then they would probably be capable of clearing it out in short time.
The number of tangs you have is never going to be supported in this size of aquarium...I dont even know if I would try doing it in a conventional setup. Tangs in groups like these cruise the real reefs leaving them algae free...your little patch of the reef will be cleaned in less than a week I predict with this many tangs. Try maybe one group of twenty in a tank this big, with some supplemental feeding it might happen.
+1 to the fish being hard-wired to gorge themselves...all wild animals know better than to pass up a meal. To the point where they can actually hurt themselves.
+1 to the fish being hard-wired to gorge themselves...all wild animals know better than to pass up a meal. To the point where they can actually hurt themselves.
hmmm,, in that case i will be ridding with most tangs, I would really love to create an ecosystem tank.FLESHY;4380448; said:
Also, what if I add LOTS of small hiding places small enough places that only the shrimp can get into. Is there any way to somehow make a balanced way for the fish not to overfeed themselves on the shrimps?
Here is the new list:
[WRASSE]
x4 Humphead Wrasse
Size:
x20 Rockmover Wrasse
Size: 30cm
[PLANKTON]
Phytoplankton
Size: Micro
Zooplankton
Size: Micro
[TANG]
x6 Blue Tang
Size: 30cm
x6 Naso Tang
Size: 39cm
x6 Red Sea Sailfin Tang
Size: 39cm
x10 Unicorn Tang
Size: 60-64cm
[ANGEL FISH]
4x Emperor Angelfish
Size: 38cm
4x Queen Angelfish
Size: 45cm
[GROUPER]
x2 Panther Grouper
Size: 50-70cm
[SHRIMP/SNAIL/CLEANER CREW]
x1000 Glass Shrimp
Size:
x1000 Brine Shrimp
Size:
x10 Cleaner Shrimp
Size:
[OTHERS]
x20 Longfin Bannerfish
Size: 25cm
x6 Clownfish (Ocellaris) (+ANEMONE)
Size: 10cm
x6 Clownfish (Black Ocellaris) (+ANEMONE)
Size: 10cm
x2 Picasso Triggerfish
Size: 25cm
x4 Harlequin Tuskfish
Size: 25cm
x10 Giant Puffer Fish Arothron Stellatus
Size: 120cm
Potato Cod
Size: 150-200cm
Although I am still not sure what to do with Triggerfish. How many is it possible to keep, how dangerous are they (to humans). And same thing with the Giant Puffer Fish.
How big is this tank...I think someone said 5000g? Lets talk about a couple things.
First by humphead wrasse do you mean Cheilinus undulatus? Because he is going to get to be 8 feet long. Not only that, but you have a lot of things in a relatively small closed system that would be living alone on a much larger patch of reef. There are never going to be 8x humphead wrasses on any reef, anywhere. Same with the rock movers. These are solitary animals for the most part.
You would be better served to keep tank size the same and go with 5 hippo tangs or something and a smattering of VERY SMALL FISH! The size/quantity of fish you are suggesting is still ridiculous. Not trying to be mean, I want to see this happen. Just trying to help. You can pm me and I will give you a phone number to talk about things. I have some experience with massive aquaria...about the same size that you are considering.
First by humphead wrasse do you mean Cheilinus undulatus? Because he is going to get to be 8 feet long. Not only that, but you have a lot of things in a relatively small closed system that would be living alone on a much larger patch of reef. There are never going to be 8x humphead wrasses on any reef, anywhere. Same with the rock movers. These are solitary animals for the most part.
You would be better served to keep tank size the same and go with 5 hippo tangs or something and a smattering of VERY SMALL FISH! The size/quantity of fish you are suggesting is still ridiculous. Not trying to be mean, I want to see this happen. Just trying to help. You can pm me and I will give you a phone number to talk about things. I have some experience with massive aquaria...about the same size that you are considering.
Sorry for double post, but you also have to consider how you are going to light and feed anemones in such a large display. Some animals such as the clowns and the Picasso triggers are definitely going to have territoriality issues with one another. The angelfish, if kept at all, should be kept without con-specifics, even in a tank this size.
i'd just completely forget about the brine shrimp if it were me. i mean 1,000 may seem like a lot but it just really isn't and brine aren't exactly mobile to elude being ate. the glass shrimp may be able to hide in crevices, but tusks/triggers will try their hardest to root em out and i just don't see them lasting to reproduce consistantly.iHammer;4386632; said:
as far as triggers/puffers being dangerous to humans it depends what you term dangerous. it's like this they have strong jaws and teeth, they can take chunks of flesh out, and i'm sure the big puffer could do much worse if it really wanted to. although i don't think they're known to be as aggressive as triggers.
I don't know why there were 4 humpheaded wrasse in there, list mistake.
[WRASSE]
x1 Humphead Wrasse
Size:
[PLANKTON]
Phytoplankton
Size: Micro
Zooplankton
Size: Micro
[TANG]
x4 Blue Tang
Size: 30cm
x4 Naso Tang
Size: 39cm
x4 Red Sea Sailfin Tang
Size: 39cm
x6 Unicorn Tang
Size: 60-64cm
[ANGEL FISH]
4x Emperor Angelfish
Size: 38cm
4x Queen Angelfish
Size: 45cm
[GROUPER]
x2 Panther Grouper
Size: 50-70cm
[SHRIMP/SNAIL/CLEANER CREW]
x1000 Glass Shrimp
Size:
x10 Cleaner Shrimp
Size:
[OTHERS]
x10 Longfin Bannerfish
Size: 25cm
x4 Harlequin Tuskfish
Size: 25cm
x1 Potato Cod
Size: 150-200cm
x1 Whitetip Reef Shark
Size: 160-180cm
And I also want to know what kind of small schooling fish can I use as a bottom of the ecosystem fish, kind of like the glass shrimp. So that there is more variety of food for the larger fish and there is less pressure on the snails and there is more feeder fish/animals.
[WRASSE]
x1 Humphead Wrasse
Size:
[PLANKTON]
Phytoplankton
Size: Micro
Zooplankton
Size: Micro
[TANG]
x4 Blue Tang
Size: 30cm
x4 Naso Tang
Size: 39cm
x4 Red Sea Sailfin Tang
Size: 39cm
x6 Unicorn Tang
Size: 60-64cm
[ANGEL FISH]
4x Emperor Angelfish
Size: 38cm
4x Queen Angelfish
Size: 45cm
[GROUPER]
x2 Panther Grouper
Size: 50-70cm
[SHRIMP/SNAIL/CLEANER CREW]
x1000 Glass Shrimp
Size:
x10 Cleaner Shrimp
Size:
[OTHERS]
x10 Longfin Bannerfish
Size: 25cm
x4 Harlequin Tuskfish
Size: 25cm
x1 Potato Cod
Size: 150-200cm
x1 Whitetip Reef Shark
Size: 160-180cm
And I also want to know what kind of small schooling fish can I use as a bottom of the ecosystem fish, kind of like the glass shrimp. So that there is more variety of food for the larger fish and there is less pressure on the snails and there is more feeder fish/animals.
