but, this thread is about Jeter and I can respect what he's done and he's a 1st ballot hall-of-famer, so I'll try to stop
Never mind any specific year... give me the 4 non steriod using hitters on the yanks that were better then him in the entire 20 year?Yes, hes a slightly better shortstop then cal Ripken but most people would say hes not great at the position either
Tom you're right but i take issue with the claim of GOAT (greatest of all time). He wasn't even the greatest of his generation, let alone greatest of all time. Hes a hall of famer (lots of not greats in the HOF), hes a legend (legends can be made from stats combined with other things) but surely hes not one of the greatest baseball player to ever lace up the cleats and flash leather. If you think he is, it's definitely why people like i have the ammo to call him overrated.
Sumo, guys on his team were smashing just as impressive a line up of honeys. Dudes like Gary Sheffield and David justice. I really really have an issue with a "GOAT" never being top 4 hitter in his very own line up
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Same here, lol, i just take issue with the concept that hes greatest of all time.but, this thread is about Jeter and I can respect what he's done and he's a 1st ballot hall-of-famer, so I'll try to stop
Cano and Soriano were both d deficient for short and it took time for Cano to become a good second baseman.. and sori was so good he became a lf. Arod I agree when the trade happened.Same here, lol, i just take issue with the concept that hes greatest of all time.
Ps, i think the iron man stat actually deflates some of ripken's other stats, especially hitting. I also respect that he moved off shortstop when it was obvious he no longer has the range or better athletes were around. Jeter refused to. Several times in the past 10 years he should've moved to third or second (Alfonso soriano, Alex Rodriguez, Robinson cano) were all better at the position then him on his own damn roster!
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Why do I need to eliminate anyone? They batted better then him in the same exact line up right? Is it really MY fault they loaded up on juicers? Nope.Never mind any specific year... give me the 4 non steriod using hitters on the yanks that were better then him in the entire 20 year?
At the time they left the team or played side by side they were better then jeter at it. We're not talking jeters of 15 years ago when they were in the line up. We're mostly taking past 10 years. their OTHER production makes up for it if they were similar fielders.......any other team would've switched him out or traded himCano and Soriano were both d deficient for short and it took time for Cano to become a good second baseman.. and sori was so good he became a lf. Arod I agree when the trade happened.
End of thread.Did any of the other greats manage to grand slam Mariah Carey?