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2.High quality fish staple pellet for cichlid.. not for goldfish etc.. they will eat anything.. but there's a different diet for carnivorous and herbivorous..

The vast majority of a FH's dietary make up is on the omnivorous side of the equation, and all that really matters is that they are fed a high quality food. Even a high quality goldfish food will produce a large kok on a FH, if the genetics are present.

Anyone that doesn't believe that is true please feel free to ship me a high quality juvie FH and I'll post back in 6 months time with the results. Water quality & diet are vital in the well being and overall health of any species or strain of fish, no exception for a FH.

A FH that is lacking the genetics won't produce a large kok no matter what you feed, or no matter how many water changes you perform.
 
Even a high quality goldfish food will produce a large kok on a FH, if the genetics are present.



I've been trying to tell people this all the time. Stop wasting money buying expensive fish food that claims to grow fish hump. I have fed my fh with goldfish food and the water head pops up just fine.
 
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The vast majority of a FH's dietary make up is on the omnivorous side of the equation, and all that really matters is that they are fed a high quality food. Even a high quality goldfish food will produce a large kok on a FH, if the genetics are present.

Anyone that doesn't believe that is true please feel free to ship me a high quality juvie FH and I'll post back in 6 months time with the results. Water quality & diet are vital in the well being and overall health of any species or strain of fish, no exception for a FH.

A FH that is lacking the genetics won't produce a large kok no matter what you feed, or no matter how many water changes you perform.

okay chill bro~
 
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The vast majority of a FH's dietary make up is on the omnivorous side of the equation, and all that really matters is that they are fed a high quality food. Even a high quality goldfish food will produce a large kok on a FH, if the genetics are present.

Anyone that doesn't believe that is true please feel free to ship me a high quality juvie FH and I'll post back in 6 months time with the results. Water quality & diet are vital in the well being and overall health of any species or strain of fish, no exception for a FH.

A FH that is lacking the genetics won't produce a large kok no matter what you feed, or no matter how many water changes you perform.

I don't say that FH don't want to eat Goldfish food.. -High quality fish staple pellet for chiclid.. not for goldfish etc..''they will eat anything..'' but there's a different diet for carnivorous and herbivorous..''-read and understand it carefully.. -there's many theory bout feeding anyway.. there's people like to garlic+multivitamin+ocean free "fish beautifier"+any pellet --' the conclusion is just give a suit diet with lots vitamin for your flowerhorn requirement..- and I do mention about genetic also --'

Carnivorous have a short intestinal tract, and a relatively large stomach designed to hold an entire fish. Their digestive system lacks the ability to digest vegetable matter, so even though they might eat plants, they cannot derive nutrients from them as other fish do.

Herbivores are on the opposite end of the dietary food chain from carnivores. Although herbivores can sometimes be seen eating live foods, the proper diet for an herbivore consists of plants, algae, and fruits.

Omnivores eat a variety of meat and vegetable matter. Although omnivores can and will eat vegetable matter, they cannot digest some types of grains and plants. Their teeth and digestive tract possesses some of the traits of both the carnivore and the herbivore.

Then there is the speed of digestion, some fish such as goldfish tend to have slower digestive tracts (I like to compare it to a horse, but there are major differences such as the stomach). But the similarity is that if too high a protein or the wrong protein diet is fed, the horse may colic, and in goldfish they will build up intestinal gas and infections including swim bladder or dropsy will ensue. The wrong amino acids in any fish will lead to aquarium pollution (extra ammonia) and renal failure.. http://www.americanaquariumproducts.com/Quality_Fish_Food.html

If you want to give your FH with a goldfish food,then go on..it is your fish and your money..no one can bothering or stop you to treat your fish the you are coz it is yours..but here,this guy wants an opinion and thats why he post his thread in this website.. and I try to give my opinion..if you want to talk about you fish,then you can post a new thread for your own FH hehehee no hard feeling yahh.. peace:popcorn:I glad to share discussion in this website and I do respect an opinion from you and other hobbies too..

A FH that is lacking the genetics won't produce a large kok no matter what you feed, or no matter how many water changes you perform[/QUOTE]

people always think to get a bigger tank so the fish can grow bigger.. actually a big tank with a good filtration is more easy to maintain the water quality from presence of pure ammonia(NH3)or ammonium ion NH4+,Nitrate(No2-)Nitrite(No3-)rather than a small tank.. this chemical is one of the reason that can make your fish growth stunt..no wonder,fish that living in the wild is much bigger and healthy than the one we keep in tank..in the wild it have their own natural biological filtration,naturally to get rid those toxic chemical and for home aquarium we have to set a good filtration and do PWC to get rid of nitrite.. who knows that ''happy FH'' which doesn't have good genetics within it but living in a good condition will grow more prettier rather than ''sad FH'' that doesn't have good genetics within it but living in bad condition..same goes to hi-quality genetics FH.. peace :headbang2
 
who knows that ''happy FH'' which doesn't have good genetics within it but living in a good condition will grow more prettier rather than ''sad FH'' that doesn't have good genetics within it

Agreed, no one has stated otherwise. As previously stated, water quality & diet are vital in the well being and overall health of any species or strain of fish, no exception for a FH.

As far as diet, you are preaching to the choir bro. lol

I don't need to read some article on the WWW, then cut & paste it to make a point, perhaps you should be the one to ''read and understand it carefully". :grinno:



Carnivorous have a short intestinal tract, and a relatively large stomach designed to hold an entire fish. Their digestive system lacks the ability to digest vegetable matter, so even though they might eat plants, they cannot derive nutrients from them as other fish do.

That would be incorrect, carnivores (at least those that have been studied) are in fact capable of producing enzymes such as amylase that allow them to assimilate a certain amount of plant matter, both aquatic based, and terrestrial based plant matter. A carnivores enzyme activity is generally much lower than a herbivores, which simply means they can not digest as much plant matter as a herbivore can. Even Asian arowana are capable of digesting a certain amount of plant matter. This only makes sense as the prey of most carnivores is often gut loaded with plant matter, and thousands/millions of years of evolution has allowed carnivores to fine tune their digestive systems so that little to nothing of what they eat goes to waste.

Even the author that you linked to in your comment states the following:

Another note about fish food is what carnivores need. Carnivorous fish often consume whole animals including intestinal contents, which often include plant material. A quality fish food for carnivores must include vegetable matter such as spirulina.



Herbivores are on the opposite end of the dietary food chain from carnivores. Although herbivores can sometimes be seen eating live foods, the proper diet for an herbivore consists of plants, algae, and fruits.

That would also be incorrect. In the wild herbivores glean their protein & fatty acids from many sources, not just from plants, algae, and fruit. The fact that a fish has been classified as a herbivore, doesn't equate to these fish not being able to assimilate amino acids or fatty acids from various foods found within the algae beds & aquatic plant matter, such as crustaceans, zooplankton, insect nymphs & larvae, snails, mites, and various other micro-organisms. In fact, in many herbivores that have been studied (both freshwater & marine) it has been found that these food stuffs are exactly what supplies them with the nutrients to grow, not the high carb content found in aquatic plant matter. Without these nutrients, in captivity many of these fish will become malnourished & die.


Omnivores eat a variety of meat and vegetable matter. Although omnivores can and will eat vegetable matter, they cannot digest some types of grains and plants. Their teeth and digestive tract possesses some of the traits of both the carnivore and the herbivore.

Omnivores can digest most/all grains & plants found on Mother earth, most simply cannot utilize large quantities efficiently, anymore than most carnivores can. There are many studies that have proven this to be true, and again, this is clearly mentioned in the artilce that you linked to in your last post.



Then there is the speed of digestion, some fish such as goldfish tend to have slower digestive tracts (I like to compare it to a horse, but there are major differences such as the stomach). But the similarity is that if too high a protein or the wrong protein diet is fed, the horse may colic, and in goldfish they will build up intestinal gas and infections including swim bladder or dropsy will ensue. The wrong amino acids in any fish will lead to aquarium pollution (extra ammonia) and renal failure.. [URL]http://www.americanaquariumproducts....Fish_Food.html[/URL]

All fish require the same basic amino acids, foods that contain excessive protein (or more importanly excessive fatty acids) will have a negative effect on the fish such as fat deposition on the liver. Intestinal gas etc is caused from excessive feeding, and/or feeding foods that are difficult for the fish to digest. (soybean meal, corn, etc) The urban myth that high protein foods cause bloat or gastrointestinal disorders is just that, a myth. If the protein is high quality & easy to digest, a fish will have no issue digesting and assimilating that protein. This has been proven in numerous feed trials involving numerous species over the past few decades.


FYI - I feed the same food to all of my fish, and have for close to a decade. That includes carnivores, omnivores, and herbivores. Every last one of them eats NLS exclusively. Including fancy goldfish. :)


okay chill bro~ :)
 
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