Official 2011-2012 NFL Thread

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hmmm, i need to take into consideration play calling. well, i think if i take into consideration play calling, it actually proves my point that it's a passing league...... thanks though

to dwelve a lil further into your point though, i don't htink green bay is a good example. why should i take into consideration play calling when green bay spends 7-9 minutes at the end of the game mixing in the run more then they do the rest of the game because they've been ahead multiple TDs in almost all of their games? didn't that scew the stats a lil bit already by moving their rushing attempts up more then say..........a .500 team?

Also, you lost me on your last point about Denver....desperate teams don't run the ball more. find me a team that said crap, we're down10 points, lets just keep running the ball! Denver is running because tebow can't throw it, not the other way around

You would say that not being able to throw the ball is desperate? Running the ball is fundamental - you fall back on this when nothing else works, you should be able to execute. Put bodies on bodies, find the hole. Football 101. Tebow cant throw, they are desperate, they run. Same in Minnesota. Minnesota has a gifted running back (time will only tell where he ends up as far as "greatness" goes, but he clearly has the potential to be up there.) But even so - this team HAS to run because they have no choice. That was what I was/am trying to say.

Greenbay does run in odd situations that dont make sense - other than apparently trying to run the clock out. That being said - the opposition realizes that as much as the packers do - and they have the film that shows the packers sitting back on leads...so they should be anticipating the run.

Im not trying to say its not a passing league - its just that calling teams "top rushing teams" purely based on who has rushed for the most yards might be hasty. (Im also not claiming that the packers are a top rushing team - I give their run blocking a solid F -


I think the pass is so hard to stop - look at the patriots. A bunch of no-noamers and old men get together and they win games. Does their competition suck? Yes, but somehow they are able to win even when they do play good teams. They put people away. Turns out it doesnt really matter who is running the routes, you have a quaterback who studies and puts in the mental time you can run passing plays and 99/100 (unless the D coordinator guesses perfectly) you will have a guy wide open. Just too much space on the field to cover everything - especially with how the rules favor the offensive players so strongly. Tom Brady when you watch him is one of the least impressive quaterbacks I have ever seen. His mechanics look terrible, he is a weakling, and he appears to be a terrible leader. That being said - his mental reps allow him to make defenses look stupid.
 
i posted attempts also, not just yards.....wouldn't the teams that lead the league in rushing yards but a good way to tell which team are the top rushing teams though? i mean top offense is determined by total yards, not points scored. why shouldn't rushing attempts and yards be a good way to determine who's good at rushing?


i think you get it though, there's just been a recent conversion for various reasons (rule changes, offense cordinators that are former head coaches, quality of QBs, etc etc) that has lead to the league switching over to being a pass dominate league. we both realize it doesn't mean there won't still be a few good running teams out there or passing teams that can run. there's just fewer of them out there

for some reason, sparty is having a hard time accepting that
 
Any body do just a little bit of research can easily see the NFL is more a passing league then ever before. Not only are rushing attempts down and passing rising, but the average completion percentage is on the incline. The NFL is throwing the ball more and is more successful doing it.

Is it a pass only league? No, don't think anyone is claiming that. But the "ball control" run offenses are becoming obsolete. If Denver is your best excuse to debate this, then that pretty much proves the point.
 
Fleshy, didn't you play HS football? i find your take on running being so easy and an act of desperation baffling.

Seems to me most teams run the ball to make the next couple of downs more manageable or to control the time of possession or they have gifted runners and a great offensive line that can move people out of the way or they're nursing a lead or to hide a weak QB (that goes back to ball control and controlling time of possesion). never have i seen a team mid game says crap, they're kicking our arse, we're desperate for points, let's run without it being one of the reasons i listed
 
i posted attempts also, not just yards.....wouldn't the teams that lead the league in rushing yards but a good way to tell which team are the top rushing teams though? i mean top offense is determined by total yards, not points scored. why shouldn't rushing attempts and yards be a good way to determine who's good at rushing?

I agree with all this. Im just saying its not all the story - packers bad offensive line - ryan grant bad running back (IMO) and yet he was multiple 1200 yard rusher. So not the full story.

That is all I am saying.

Fleshy, didn't you play HS football? i find your take on running being so easy and an act of desperation baffling.

Seems to me most teams run the ball to make the next couple of downs more manageable or to control the time of possession or they have gifted runners and a great offensive line that can move people out of the way or they're nursing a lead or to hide a weak QB (that goes back to ball control and controlling time of possesion). never have i seen a team mid game says crap, they're kicking our arse, we're desperate for points, let's run without it being one of the reasons i listed

I played HS football, looked into several colleges, and actually signed with a semipro team, and recieved an offer from a "pro" indoor team. (This probably leaves me considerably behind anyone who gets NFL network into their house - if I had that I would never leave the tv :P )

And I agree - in games obviously there are situations where you have to throw if you are going to have a chance.

Good teams have good qb's. Why run the ball when the big play is just a PI, defensive hold, neutral zone infraction free play, or pass away.

The benefits to passing seem to strongly outweigh running - and yet bad teams are still focused on the run. These teams have one athlete - and they put all of their stock in him.

I think we are just agreeing more than you think. What I am saying is - "In this league - why not throw?"

Bears and eagles are the only people IMO running the ball the right way right now.
 
Hmmm.....so the Superbowl Champions last year were not a real team because 3 of their loses were against 6-10 teams plus a loss to a 7-9 team?

It's more that they visibly play at the level of their competition rather than stick to one level and treat every team the same. Sure, the Ravens might say that they treat every game the same, but it sure doesn't look that way; even the analysts from the bigger sports networks have commented on how they tend to play down to teams that are considerably worse than they are. When the football experts are seriously joking about them potentially losing to the Browns and/or Colts at one point or another this season, then you know that there's a noticeable trend.

Think about it:
First off, look at their losses. They lost to the Titans (6-5) by 13 points (26-13), the Jaguars (3-8) by 5 points (12-7), and the Seahawks (5-7) by 5 points (22-17), and they barely beat the Cardinals (4-7) by 3 points (30-27). These teams simply currently are not/were not at their level of play, yet they still lost to them.

Then, look at their wins. They beat the Steelers (8-3) twice by 28 points (35-7) and 3 points (23-20), the Jets (6-5) by 17 points (34-17), the Texans (8-3) by 15 points (29-14), the Bengals (7-4) by 7 points (31-24), and the 49ers (9-2) by 10 points (16-6). These times are around the same level, if not above their level, and they were easily defeated by a reasonably large margin (for the most part).

The only exception to the rule is when they beat the Rams (2-9) by 30 points (37-7).
 
well, good thing those lower level teams wont' be in the playoff distracting the ravens, lol. Alot of good teams get caught napping or have a difficult time getting it in gear in a short week if they just played a monday night game. Green bay was a great example though, they got stomped throughout the season, had to have a bunch of teams lose to make the playoff and then went on a tear and have now won 17 straight games.
 
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