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[1bigdovii]

Ignore all bull man. There are too many people scared to try new things. How else is the hobby supposed to progress. People not scared to take risks are what helps the hobby become better and helps us all better understand the behavior of our fish. In my time ive kept a few tanks setups that should by all means not have worked but did and other that should have and turned out in disaster. Just unfortunate that with fish like tigers when things go south they go south fast. All of us should be trying to help progress the hobby not down someone when they have a failed attempt at somthing. How many of us have never had a failed at a setup? BTW op how are they rest doing? I really want to see how this turns out.

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[djaalix]

It bothers me seeing people make fun of, and make nasty remarks towards others when this is supposed to be a server of friends where we all share a common interest in fish, and thus learn from eachother. But theres always a few pompous asses (ecoli and exotic) that enjoy making fun of others to enjoy themselves. Constructive criticism is positive and helpful, making fun of others' misfortunes is not. So i guess, exotic, i did confuse the pacu statement, thinking you said it when in reality it was ecoli, but i guess all a-holes sound the same... and they all stink!

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[KellyFrancis]

at djaalix...

Keep us updated Scott, remember, the important people have your back and the unimportant people glare from the corner.

 

[ecoli73]

The "next" level of monster fish keeping should not be trying to change the nature of the monster fish to fit our own little schemes. As I said in an earlier post, such monster fish will make their own plans very plain, as the evidence here show, and the fish in question are not even close to sexual maturity.

Every one who manages feeding and manage the nitrogen cycle correctly can make fish grow fast. The longevity and indeed the survival of the said fish community into adulthood is a much better measure of success.


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[MN_Rebel]

The "next" level of monster fish keeping should not be trying to change the nature of the monster fish to fit our own little schemes. As I said in an earlier post, such monster fish will make their own plans very plain, as the evidence here show, and the fish in question are not even close to sexual maturity.

Every one who manages feeding and manage the nitrogen cycle correctly can make fish grow fast. The longevity and indeed the survival of the said fish community into adulthood is a much better measure of success.


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Sometimes, not all fish will make their own plans very plain. Sometimes they got lucky, sometimes they don't get lucky. You gotta gamble and risk it. I had an African Kenyi cichlid with blood parrots before and nobody got mauled by the Kenyi. I had a bullhead that refused to eat live fish and I was able to keep darters, scuplins and danios with him. Heck someone kept two male black nasty cichlids together in same tank and they are doing so fine!

 

[ecoli73]

Sometimes, not all fish will make their own plans very plain. Sometimes they got lucky, sometimes they don't get lucky. You gotta gamble and risk it. I had an African Kenyi cichlid with blood parrots before and nobody got mauled by the Kenyi. I had a bullhead that refused to eat live fish and I was able to keep darters, scuplins and danios with him. Heck someone kept two male black nasty cichlids together in same tank and they are doing so fine!

Getting lucky isn't exactly the way to raise fish though. I hardly think a seasoned cichlid keeper would recommend keeping 2 black nasties together to someone because they might just get lucky. This I do not call pushing the envelope nor worthy of admiration.


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[ecoli73]

It bothers me seeing people make fun of, and make nasty remarks towards others when this is supposed to be a server of friends where we all share a common interest in fish, and thus learn from eachother. But theres always a few pompous asses (ecoli and exotic) that enjoy making fun of others to enjoy themselves. Constructive criticism is positive and helpful, making fun of others' misfortunes is not. So i guess, exotic, i did confuse the pacu statement, thinking you said it when in reality it was ecoli, but i guess all a-holes sound the same... and they all stink!

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Lol and our conversation was going so nicely, and at one point you even agreed with some of my points

******* or not, the fact is the proof was in the pudding. A good record of fish keeping should be a long lived stable community and not a this sounded cool but darn it didn't work one.


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[KellyFrancis]

Isn't the whole point of the conversation the question of how do we get the strong communities if we never experiment? Hell, nature does it all the time via invasive species (whether we had a hand in it or not). Sometimes they work and sometimes they don't. The point is how do we figure out what works without that experimenting phase?


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[MN_Rebel]

Getting lucky isn't exactly the way to raise fish though. I hardly think a seasoned cichlid keeper would recommend keeping 2 black nasties together to someone because they might just get lucky. This I do not call pushing the envelope nor worthy of admiration.


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Even seasoned cichlid keeper will gamble and take a risk (and it is very common if a male/or female kill their mates for breeding purposes). I have seen someone kept an adult silver aro with tiger barbs and neon tetras. But of course you just likes to put everybody down. Nothing's wrong with try mixing species and everyone learned from their experiences.

 

[ecoli73]

Even seasoned cichlid keeper will gamble and take a risk (and it is very common if a male/or female kill their mates for breeding purposes). I have seen someone kept an adult silver aro with tiger barbs and neon tetras. But of course you just likes to put everybody down. Nothing's wrong with try mixing species and everyone learned from their experiences.

For cichlid breeding there are such things as tank dividers etc to mediate such risk. As for the silver arrow and tiger barbs etc, I have seen gold fish and rtc together for a long time as well, it does not mean that is a good idea or something people should test and see if it'll work for them.




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