Cichla Sao Francisco

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All I see is a lot of preaching to the chore and BS in here .. Us OGs know the deal and I'm sure toy can sense who they are! There is plenty of exports still out of brazil, I know this for a fact.. (**** I have fish arriving to me on tuesday!) Either a cichla is wild and 100% from it's collecton point making it born and raised there in its original wild habitat and the parents on which they were reproduced from are as well OR IT'S NOT! IF YOU DO NOT KNOW THIS INFORMATION, THEN YOU SHOULD NOT LISTEN THEM RIVER SPECIFIC AND LABEL THEM AS WILD CAUGHT > THIS IS 100% MISS JUDGMENT! PERIOD.. There is too much BS in the trade these days and everything is based off of making a dollar and not on the hobby anymore! Shame! Look at the azul/kel CAPTIVE HYBRIDS! Your going to try to tell me that this isn't the same fish Wes just imported?! HA
 
Er..... Darboy, I think he pretty much mentioned that he was nv sure and if DammitKhoa a newbie at Kels mentioned a Kel x Azul cross, I think fugupuff might have let on what he might have suspected or known. He also mentioned that he had something else up his sleeve. Maybe Kel x Azuls was it. I dunno man, I'm not taking sides as I would be pissed if I was abt to be cheated but you seem to have drawn your conclusion on this without hearing the other side of story. Chill for now dude, lets see how this plays out before condemning someones reputation.

fugupuff said:
just to be clear, I'm not 100% sure these "sao francisco" bass are wild or captive bred. its a spcial exclusive import. the ones in the Phillipines were marketed as sao francisco bass, and that is the best info. I have on them.
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DammitKhoa said:
Got this little guy from Wes. Cichla from Sao Francisco, possibly a cross of Kelberi and Azul. what do you guys think?
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darboy said:
you know guys, i think the point here is are these sao francisco really what the seller says it is? or is it just a plot to sell some captive bred fish and pass them on as sao franciscos by a very good businessman to make a big profit? i am sorry to mfk people but you have a fish that is labelled captive bred kelberi x piquiti. as you can all remember or search in the normal threads, i posted a new thread bout some kelquiti hybrids that will soon come out. was actually trying to stop this thing to happen. there were talks that an american supplier would get some kelquitis and pass them up as wild caught specimens. my supplier declined to do this because first it was unethical and second, this really wont promote business. who would like to get mininformed fish? well my supplier and i had our suspicions already. sure enough i see the kelquitis in mfk... but with a different name. a name that was just like my sao franciscos! my sao fran is 9 inches now and if you can check they are not exactly the same.head shape and overall markings. say what you want but i trust my supplier and if he says they come from south america with the pinimas that we got. i would go for his word against yours. and if ever worst case scenario mine are not real sao frans.. hell i am not selling my fish and making 4 times the price passing them up as sao franciscos!!! you created that name for your asian captive bred hybrids! this has gone far enough and your splendid (long)explanations cant cover up the truth, you do not have sole access to suppliers sir. mfk people are not sardines like you say they are. we are people earning and saving and spending on fish that we love so we expect nothing but the truth from our suppliers. alot of people will diss me. call me a liar or what not. hell i might get banned for this. but im standing up to the little people out there who demand to be respected! not lied to and manipulated by a great guy who is slowly creeping to the dark side. mr. fugupuff. honestly bro you are very well respected here. you should show your respect as well. these are the captive bred kelquitis that arrived here. retail and with conversions and market value here. it wont cost as much as what was sold there. i would say some stuff about the other cichla as well. but it wont matter anymore. either you guys believe me, a chinese-filipino guy who cant sleep and pay his bills coz he C.R.E.A.M.S himself off day and night or a very well respected supplier over the years. probably one of the best businessmen here in mfk.i know im the underdog. but i tell you this. even if you guys dont believe me. i did this coz i want all of us to be respected. here are the kel quitis.. look familiar?
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fugupuff said:
Technically, F1, off springs of wild fish F0, are still wild fish right? Only difference is that they were born in captivity, but the parents are wild selected mates that grew up in the wild. Or how about transplanted fish? like peacock bass in Florida, or how about Hawaii? Generations of them, have bred and lived in the "wild"...
Or how about Azuls bred in ponds near the river in Brazil, are they wild or captive bred? People just catch the fish, throw them in pens by the river and raise the fry.
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Interesting,I would think that the offspring of wild caught parents are considered to be captive bred as they were not themselves collected in the wild as their parents were...The pond raised azuls would seem to be wild caught as well but their offspring... captive bred....The whole,transplant thing is an interesting debate though.
 
krichardson said:
Interesting,I would think that the offspring of wild caught parents are considered to be captive bred as they were not themselves collected in the wild as their parents were...The pond raised azuls would seem to be wild caught as well but their offspring... captive bred....The whole,transplant thing is an interesting debate though.
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What is considered wild to me is a fish caught from the wild with no human interference. The moment a human has a hand in BREEDING it, its captive bred. Brokopondos could be considered to be captive since it was created in a man made reservoir, but no one considers it such simply because we didn't do it on purpose, nature just took it's course.

BTW I had a good look at DarBoy's "Sao Francisco". It looks the same as these guys, just better fed. You can't take the 9" version to compare, u gotta take the fry. It also explains why his friends and his look different. New Hybrids tend to look different from fish to fish even from the same batch. Some will take more genes from either parents. Like BDleos, they can look the same as BDs when young but you wouldn't know if the spotting will stay or it will go until it reaches sub adult age.Sadly, I think everyone got played by who ever is breeding these guys.

And dun say Singapore because I haven't heard abt it.If someone was breeding them, at the very least rumors would be around.
 
Yes. That is why I sold them as Sao Francisco. I actually commented on your photo 2 wks ago saying that your fish looked a bit like kelberi x piquiti. But you didn't reply. Them I commented under saying that I had the same fish and you smiled back. So I thought Darboy you agreed it was the same. It's not marketing ploy for me at all. These were not even on the price list for me they were special fish for me so I took them. And if they are hybrids or captive bred hybrids I will update here. If anybody is not happy with their fish they can come to me and I will make it right for them


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If I wanted to defraud people I would have called them Sao Francisco kelberi. I never did not even on my price list. It's sold as Cichla sp "Sao Francisco" which the latter part I gathered the info from Darboy's pic. Never thought they were kelberi like boosten's fish in the past. As you can see from my comment on Darboy's Sao Francisco thread. I thought his fish and mine were the same and that his looked. Just an opinion like kelberi piquiti hybrids. And I said how that is possible that it existed in the wild.


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fugupuff said:
Yes. That is why I sold them as Sao Francisco. I actually commented on your photo 2 wks ago saying that your fish looked a bit like kelberi x piquiti. But you didn't reply. Them I commented under saying that I had the same fish and you smiled back. So I thought Darboy you agreed it was the same. It's not marketing ploy for me at all. These were not even on the price list for me they were special fish for me so I took them. And if they are hybrids or captive bred hybrids I will update here. If anybody is not happy with their fish they can come to me and I will make it right for them


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Do you have any more of these guys for sale? If so can you PM me a price..? I'm not worried about cb or wc etc etc I just think these are awesome looking cichla


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fugupuff said:
Email me. I don't want people to get so mad at me here. Lol. I think I'm going to stop bringing in rare fish now. All my fish keepings and imports are all lies!!! I don't even exist.


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I feel for you man, don't let a few mess up your thinking of what you know is right.I have seen you bring in some amazing stuff.
 
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