H. scomberoides sudden death

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Guys, I'm actually learning important lessons with you! :nilly: A great level of discussion.

Chicxulub, the method to convert Hydrolycus off live food and frozen food is similar to Cichla?
My eats frozen food already (found in a friend's house)
 
caio.sampaio said:
Guys, I'm actually learning important lessons with you! :nilly: A great level of discussion.

Chicxulub, the method to convert Hydrolycus off live food and frozen food is similar to Cichla?
My eats frozen food already (found in a friend's house)
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I cannot speak for Cichla as my expertise is in the 'silver tooth fish'.

The way I got my scomb to start taking dead food was by 'fishing'. I took Trout Chunks and cut them into pieces the size and shape of a goldfish. I would then put them on the end of a piece of fishing line and jig it using the same method that I use when I'm fishing for bass with a spoon. Once the scomb started getting hungry, he hit it. After that, I started moving the bait higher and higher in the water column until it was on the surface. Once he was consistently taking the cut trout from the surface, I stopped feeding him the trout. It only took a couple of days watching the other fish for him to start taking pellets.
 
I don't think leaving skin on a fillet is going to make up for the eyes, guts, bones and all that other good stuff a cleaned piece of fish is missing.

We can all sit here and speculate all day long... But the truth is some of us have killed plenty of these fish trying to figure out how to care for them and haven't figured it out yet, and until I see proof of others figuring it out, I'm not going to believe a little skin left on a fillet or a fish carcass stuffed with pellets is the difference between a healthy adult Payara raised in captivity and one that develops the stuppor before 2'.

It's also odd that people seem to have much less trouble raising ATF. Maybe thier natural waters mimic our tapwater much closer then our tap water mimics the Amazon??? Maybe not all diet???

There's a good Payara captive care guide here that talks about breaking them, IF you still think it's the right answer.
 
DB junkie said:
I don't think leaving skin on a fillet is going to make up for the eyes, guts, bones and all that other good stuff a cleaned piece of fish is missing.

We can all sit here and speculate all day long... But the truth is some of us have killed plenty of these fish trying to figure out how to care for them and haven't figured it out yet, and until I see proof of others figuring it out, I'm not going to believe a little skin left on a fillet or a fish carcass stuffed with pellets is the difference between a healthy adult Payara raised in captivity and one that develops the stuppor before 2'.

It's also odd that people seem to have much less trouble raising ATF. Maybe thier natural waters mimic our tapwater much closer then our tap water mimics the Amazon??? Maybe not all diet???

There's a good Payara captive care guide here that talks about breaking them, IF you still think it's the right answer.
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I wasn't intending to imply that leaving the skin on your fillet was a cure for the difficulty of keeping these fish. My point was that it strikes me as valuable source of nutrients that people aren't taking advantage of that will help their fish have a more complete, nutritious diet. I agree completely that these fish are finicky and very difficult to keep alive. All of them.
 
Surely I will feed payara with the greatest possible diversity, as I do with my other predators. But I think the pellets is essential when I travel and get someone to take care of the fish. ;)
Ecoli, you did a great question, not yet realize how sensitive are the payaras, it scares me a little, I confess.
They are sensitive ... Sensitive much? Much more than a stingray?
Any tips and thoughts are very welcome, guys. I'm planning a piece of the aquarium to grow it. :thumbsup:

Regards.
 
Coming close to 2 yrs since I've had mine... knock on wood, but time will tell. Personally, I treat these fish like any serrasalmus, and they do just fine. I personally do not believe in this "myth". But that's just my opinion on the matter.

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Iv actualy head that they are quite hardy, when I received mine he had a large scratch down his side and a slightly damaged eye, but cleared up fine in less than a week with prestine water and salt. As long as they are kept healthy. Mine only takes talapia and small bbits of shrimp, but hoping he will accept silversides soon and pellets. Once the army gets a little bigger ill stuff his food like the rest of my fish.

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Sm0ke said:
I personally do not believe in this "myth". But that's just my opinion on the matter.

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Please explain why not???? You obviously have proof to disprove this "myth" that all of us that have kept Payara over the years have found to be the sad reality?

Got pics of some big Scombs in a public aquarium that has the financial backing to export big ones right out of the river? Got pics of all the big ones over seas?

I find it funny that some of us have tried so many times to keep these things over the years and some of you guys have a few lil babies in your tanks and think that the "myth" is BS just cause yours hasn't died..... Yet.

Make the "myth" a myth and prove it's just a myth.......

Not sure what you guys think you're doing so much different then we did when all of ours died???? Sounds to me like the same mistakes expecting different results. Some people have said that's the definition of insanity???
 
DB junkie said:
Please explain why not???? You obviously have proof to disprove this "myth" that all of us that have kept Payara over the years have found to be the sad reality?

Got pics of some big Scombs in a public aquarium that has the financial backing to export big ones right out of the river? Got pics of all the big ones over seas?

I find it funny that some of us have tried so many times to keep these things over the years and some of you guys have a few lil babies in your tanks and think that the "myth" is BS just cause yours hasn't died..... Yet.

Make the "myth" a myth and prove it's just a myth.......

Not sure what you guys think you're doing so much different then we did when all of ours died???? Sounds to me like the same mistakes expecting different results. Some people have said that's the definition of insanity???
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You had your chance to share your opinion bud, and you did, several times on several threads...

I just shared mine. Don't like it? Too bad. My 2 cents for you is to learn what you did wrong, instead of trying to make some foolish blanket statement to the world. My opinion, once again.

Cheers.
 
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