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Not sure what wild horses have to do with anything.

I was referring to these kinds of agricultural subsidies:

The farm bill is the unwieldy, recondite piece of legislation that defines how America grows and eats its food.... But $60 billion has also been paid out to farmers in the form of agricultural subsidies, subsidies which have helped hook the U.S. on fattening, processed food.

The problem with the farm bill isn't the disbursement of subsidies per se; it's that the bulk of payments are forked over to growers of a few huge commodity crops — mostly corn, wheat, soybeans — in a handful of Midwestern congressional districts. (You can guess the reasons for this, I'm sure — they involve the outsized political influence of the Big Agriculture lobby, venal congressmen trying to fill campaign coffers, and the indifference of the rest of the legislature.) Additionally, while most cattle ranching isn't highly subsidized itself, the beef industry is still among the primary beneficiaries of government largess, as low crop prices allow ranchers to feed their livestock cheap grain and so keep their own costs down. A subsidy for corn growers, therefore, serves as a de facto subsidy to the beef industry.


Another benefit to taxpayers for test-tube beef: free of taxpayer subsidy :)

Matt
Do you even KNOW that the govt has been using wild horses as pawns for decades now? they have taken away cattle permits so that, instead, wild gorses can roam. the excess numbers are removed and paid for by us. (to be fed, housed & and managed)
Horses consume several times as many acres of grass to live than cows, and do NOTHING but cost us $$ to support.
It is NOT a question of whether or not the land is supporting anything, it is a matter of WHAT it supports.
Food? or a constant taxpayer drain of non-consumable hoofed animals.
because guess what? if it isn't grazed, IT BURNSssssssssssssssssssssssssss.
 
Yes I support small businesses and eating locally. But no, I don't support huge subsidies to the agriculture industry (which is quite different than regulating and taxing them to near extinction - your words not mine)...

Matt

I don't get the logic either... You "support" small local businesses (in this case ranchers) but then you support taxing and regulating them to near extinction?


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80% of U.S. corn is grown from Monsanto patented GMO seeds.

93% of U.S. soy is grown from Monsanto patented GMO seeds.

http://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/factsheet/monsanto-a-corporate-profile/

I don't necessarily think that Monsanto's near monopoly is a good thing, but it just shows you the pervasiveness of GMO corn and soy in our country.

What specific regulations do you believe would keep the test-tube beef off of the US market?

Matt
Good job you just googled them up. Now let's stop you there, you sucked at debate and you lack of the knowledge on these specific subjects. You don't even read the whole page in that link!
 
wild horses are just one aspect, as an example of Misusing resources to divert from common sense food production.

more obviousness that you know nothing of this subject: the beef industry.

I am outta here for now.
 
Yes I support small businesses and eating locally. But no, I don't support huge subsidies to the agriculture industry (which is quite different than regulating and taxing them to near extinction - your words not mine)...

Matt
I called BS on your statement. You don't support huge subsides to the agriculture industry without knowing where ALL of your food products you brought from. How did you know that your foods do not come from the huge subsides?
 
Not sure what wild horses have to do with anything.

I was referring to these kinds of agricultural subsidies:

The farm bill is the unwieldy, recondite piece of legislation that defines how America grows and eats its food.... But $60 billion has also been paid out to farmers in the form of agricultural subsidies, subsidies which have helped hook the U.S. on fattening, processed food.

The problem with the farm bill isn't the disbursement of subsidies per se; it's that the bulk of payments are forked over to growers of a few huge commodity crops — mostly corn, wheat, soybeans — in a handful of Midwestern congressional districts. (You can guess the reasons for this, I'm sure — they involve the outsized political influence of the Big Agriculture lobby, venal congressmen trying to fill campaign coffers, and the indifference of the rest of the legislature.) Additionally, while most cattle ranching isn't highly subsidized itself, the beef industry is still among the primary beneficiaries of government largess, as low crop prices allow ranchers to feed their livestock cheap grain and so keep their own costs down. A subsidy for corn growers, therefore, serves as a de facto subsidy to the beef industry.


Another benefit to taxpayers for test-tube beef: free of taxpayer subsidy :)

Matt
I hope you are aware the fact that you needs products to create test-tube beef. Back to the subsides!
 
Of course, US taxpayer agricultural subsidies support production of the food that all Americans (and lots of people across the globe) eat.

But that doesn't mean that I think that they're either good legislation or without unintended consequences!

Matt

I called BS on your statement. You don't support huge subsides to the agriculture industry without knowing where ALL of your food products you brought from. How did you know that your foods do not come from the huge subsides?
 
Here's what Taco Bell's "Taco Meat Filling" is:

http://jezebel.com/5742413/this-is-what-really-hides-in-taco-bells-beef

Beef, water, isolated oat product, salt, chili pepper, onion powder, tomato powder, oats (wheat), soy lecithin, sugar, spices, maltodextrin (a polysaccharide that is absorbed as glucose), soybean oil (anti-dusting agent), garlic powder, autolyzed yeast extract, citric acid, caramel color, cocoa powder, silicon dioxide (anti-caking agent), natural flavors, yeast, modified corn starch, natural smoke flavor, salt, sodium phosphate, less than 2% of beef broth, potassium phosphate, and potassium lactate.

The USDA says that any food labeled as "meat taco filling" should at least have 40% fresh meat. According to the Alabama law firm, Taco Bell stuff only has 36% meat.

I don't know the exact percentage content of "test tube beef" that went into the burger was, but I'll bet that it was more than 36%...

Matt

That is great that you posted Taco Bell meat's ingredients, but it does not change the fact that this "burger" patty was not 100% beef. While you may "bet" that the animal protein content is higher in the patty, you have nothing to back up that claim. Also, it is entirely possible that most of the ingredients you listed were in the patty - what do you think "bread crumbs" are made of?
 
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