Navy yard shooting in DC

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I don't understand what the point is, of military personnel not being able to carry right on our own ground, stateside. How stupid is that? Why should we have to triple up paying for protection?
What's next, the police won't be able to carry?

It will be like the English cops, "stop! or I'll say stop again" or maybe they'll throw their stick at them, ooooohh I'm scared now, now I'll obey the law.


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We would assume any military installation would have armed guards with weapons to prevent such things from happening. If a lone gunman can do some much damage, a planned attack by terrorists will be much worst. I know the military will exam this incident and learn from it. RIP to all that was killed.

Wrong. Military installations are some of the most disarmed areas in the country and some of the most lightly policed. The thinking is that once people are on the installations, military discipline will take over and mitigate many instances of people being idiots, thereby lessening the number of armed police needed on post. 99.9% of the time, this supposition is correct. Comparing a military installation to any community of comparable size, the base will have a much smaller police force.


Weren't all the victims civilian employees?

It doesn't really matter, no one is allowed to carry POWs on a military installation, be they military or civilian.


The criminal record checks on people having access to these bases are absurdly negligent. This guy had 2 unrelated incidents for unlawfully discharging weapons.
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You would be SHOCKED at the type of people that recruiters actually get into the service, too.


a member of the military,or a civillian,who was on base and nearby could have been in possession of a weapon,if they would have been allowed to carry and the outcome might have been different...

+1. This is a HUGE sore spot with service members.


I suspected that that's what you were getting at and I think I answered your above question in my last post...but if I didn't,and they continue to disallow anyone to carry on base,then they should maybe look into having more of a MP presence on the grounds.

Not gonna happen. The feds are actively pink slipping service members.
 
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You would be SHOCKED at the type of people that recruiters actually get into the service, too.
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naw, I already know.

The thing is, these civilian contractors undergo less scrutiny for having access to military intelligence than ranch workers have to get before removing cattle off a Nevada Test site. This, at the outer edges of "military ground" miles & miles away from any installation building or personnel whatsoever. I mean SO far away you can't even see anything but sagebrush & the sky.
I know. we did it in the past. Big Clearance for each person, & paperwork just for the owner to retrieve his cattle.
ALL of whom had PTSD, I might add.
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naw, I already know.

The thing is, these civilian contractors undergo less scrutiny for having access to military intelligence than ranch workers have to get before removing cattle off a Nevada Test site. This, at the outer edges of "military ground" miles & miles away from any installation building or personnel whatsoever. I mean SO far away you can't even see anything but sagebrush & the sky.
I know. we did it in the past. Big Clearance for each person, & paperwork just for the owner to retrieve his cattle.
ALL of whom had PTSD, I might add.
;-)

What's wrong with PTSD? lol

Crazy that ranch hands would need background checks, but being near nuclear test grounds, I can rather understand why its done. The DOE takes anything even vaguely related to CBRNE very seriously. And rightly so lol.

I can fully understand why they'd be more worried about that than they would be with contractors on a military installation that does primarily day to day operations. After all, day to day ops on a base aren't really to special, the military runs like a Fortune 500 company all the way from its top execs all the way down to the blue collar grunts.

What I can't wrap my brain around is that some people seem to think that everyone on post runs around in full kit as if we were running ops.
 
Try getting wild range cattle to head in the desired direction, after they get filled with PTSD.
It can be a loooong hopeless ride.
We heard stories how military guys used them for entertainment out there.

Breaking News: contracted workers INside military computers= pretty important business!
Waay more than sagebrush & dirt. it's not like there was anything to see out there.

and yeah, all you guys should be running around ready for action every day, everywhere.
 
Try getting wild range cattle to head in the desired direction, after they get filled with PTSD.
It can be a loooong hopeless ride.
We heard stories how military guys used them for entertainment out there.

Breaking News: contracted workers INside military computers= pretty important business!
Waay more than sagebrush & dirt. it's not like there was anything to see out there.

and yeah, all you guys should be running around ready for action every day, everywhere.

Contractors inside of a government computer really isn't a big deal. Not all military computers can access the important stuff. As a matter of fact very few can. NIPR is just a regular computer and that's what most people, contractors or SMs, have access to. SIPR is another story however, they are kept under lock and key and access is very tightly controlled.

I rather resent the implication that people with PTSD are essentially retarded. NO ONE who is in the military would EVER make fun of another SM with PTSD or 'use them for entertainment'. I doubt the validity of that story.
 
I don't think you understand what I meant, it was the cattle who had been running on the test site that had ptsd (not the men). and it was from the guys chasing them in vehicles, taking potshots near them to watch them freak out. or whatever, who knows.
and those cattle absolutely acted "different".
the ranchers aren't allowed to go get them every year, so they'd be out there for a while, not having gone through the yearly routines like the others.
even when we got them out of that area, some of them would just take off up into some remote place and never could be caught.
they were crazy because they'd been taught to behave unpredictably.
You don't have to believe it if you want. but all those range cattle are more "wild" than fenced cows. a couple/few years of wrong chasing and it's hard to imagine how they get.

and as for the computer workers, I only know what recent news has panned out. nothing firsthand.
 
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