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Thing with hybrid rays is they may look amazing but there is no gaurantee their offspring will have the same pattern / quality or even come close. At least with high end BD's, marbles, etc you know the pups will turn out amazing. Sure there may be that one in a hundred throw back that you can get with any species of animal, but you can pretty much gaurantee the pups will turn out top notch. I've seen some pretty amazing ray hybrids produce bland offspring and vice versa. I agree with Doyboy that you need to see the parent of the hybrid to see their quality. At least if they are top quality, you have a better chance of getting a nicer hybrid. Other thing I noticed is that hybrid rays change their patterns quite a bit as they mature. A young stunner could turn bland when older and an ugly duckling can grow up to be a beautiful swan. That is the one thing that makes hybrids interesting.
 
Calgaryflames I agree the ray i have shown is imo very nice but the price exceeds what i think it is worth and most likely what any of you would think its worth. When your told its a king henlei wild and it doesnt stand out as that on here it leaves you wondering. Anyhow.....
 
That was kind of my question as well. I don't have quite as keen of an eye as many on here but looks like any king hen I've ever seen.
 
Than I'd recommend not keeping high end fish because the pedigree means nothing in fish. T1 may have used that out of context but he to also would agree that a nice ray regardless would fetch good dollars.
People buy pure bred show dogs for the pedigree ....people buy fish for an array of reasons. Never once have I heard a person complain about a real nice hybrids pedigree. Sure really nice pure bred rays are something special .


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I don't think there is a need to suggest i don't keep high end fish just because i think a pure should be worth more than a hybrid, that's what i think, it's my opinion - i'm not saying i wouldn't be perfectly happy to pay good money for a hybrid - not at all, - it depends on the particular scenario for instance i would expect to pay more for a P13 x P14 than a pure Motoro obviously because despite being a hybrid it's still higher quality more saught after etc!

I suppose my comment was a bit to "general" to be fair - in this particular scenario, i would expect to pay less for the fish that was posted than a pure Henlei, that's just me - i understand fully however that it's a unique fish because it's a hyrbrid and that for some people makes it remarkably well worth paying the price for.

I think in essence it boils down to... "it's what the fish is worth to you"

Not exactly actually... (in terms of dogs) for example the cost of a golden doodle is greater than the cost of a golden retriever (if it is being bought as a house pet) other wise it depends on the pedigree, which in that case a champion bred golden doodle would still cost more than a champion bred golden retriever.. along with french bulldogs (a mix of a pug, boston terrier and an english bulldog, obviously over the span of multiple generations) costs more than a pug, boston terrier and in some cases an english bulldog. It all depends on what traits of the different breeds the buyer is looking for... for example most people love the fact that golden doodles dont shed and they still have the amazing personality found in golden retrievers.. im not saying that it is the same in fish but there are cross bred fish that do cost more than pure preds because they have aquired desirable traits from both parents (like a tsnXrtc costs the same, or even more than either one of the pure bred parents)... but it depends on personal taste like stated before... in the case of this ray (if it is a hybrid) it just depends on whether or not the buyer desires the traits of the cross bred over a pure bred...

Whilst i agree with you, there are always exceptions to the rule - but again similar to my point with the rays, if it was lets say a english bulldog crossed with a french bulldog, my guess it would still be higher in value than a pure yorkshire terrier?

My point is theyre not like for likes right? my other assumption would be that the british bulldog would be worth more than the british/french right?

I'm not speaking factually here -this is however just my opinion, which of course will be similar and different to many others, this is just the mindset that i take when considering the value of a ray, because after all, it's only worth what i'm willing to pay for me.
 
I don't think there is a need to suggest i don't keep high end fish just because i think a pure should be worth more than a hybrid, that's what i think, it's my opinion - i'm not saying i wouldn't be perfectly happy to pay good money for a hybrid - not at all, - it depends on the particular scenario for instance i would expect to pay more for a P13 x P14 than a pure Motoro obviously because despite being a hybrid it's still higher quality more saught after etc!

I suppose my comment was a bit to "general" to be fair - in this particular scenario, i would expect to pay less for the fish that was posted than a pure Henlei, that's just me - i understand fully however that it's a unique fish because it's a hyrbrid and that for some people makes it remarkably well worth paying the price for.

I think in essence it boils down to... "it's what the fish is worth to you"



Whilst i agree with you, there are always exceptions to the rule - but again similar to my point with the rays, if it was lets say a english bulldog crossed with a french bulldog, my guess it would still be higher in value than a pure yorkshire terrier?

My point is theyre not like for likes right? my other assumption would be that the british bulldog would be worth more than the british/french right?

I'm not speaking factually here -this is however just my opinion, which of course will be similar and different to many others, this is just the mindset that i take when considering the value of a ray, because after all, it's only worth what i'm willing to pay for me.

I suggested you shouldn't keep them ... Not that you don't but its becoming clearer to me now. It was also not directed at you. The original poster is the person I was suggesting this too.



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I suggested you shouldn't keep them ... Not that you don't but its becoming clearer to me now. It was also not directed at you. The original poster is the person I was suggesting this too.



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My mistake - sorry.
 
I suggested you shouldn't keep them ... Not that you don't but its becoming clearer to me now. It was also not directed at you. The original poster is the person I was suggesting this too.



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Dont see why a personal opinion on a rays dollar value depicts whether one should keep rays. Not sure where you were going with that comment but its a little out of place.... That fish was offered up to me by a contact of mine that i like dealing with but a price that 2x exceeds the going price of a BD seems a bit steep and i wanted some opinions.
 
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