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SumoNinja said:
imo, saying the break was "lucky" or an "accident" isn't accurate.

he trained the check to do damage. it's intended to hurt the other person while defending your own leg. it either causes them pain enough to limp, or stop throwing it for a while and in the extreme case, cause a break. chris and his team know that checking a hard enough kick can cause that kind of injury. sure he doesn't desire that kind of injury on anyone but if they throw it, he's gonna defend himself. and if the extreme injury occurs to the person throwing the kick, you can't really call that an accident and it definitely was an exploit of a skill that defeated anderson

it's like, if I throw a punch at someone's jaw, I may not mean to break it, I just want to do damage and i'm throwing it with bad intentions. if I land flush and hard, and the jaw ends up breaking, you can't say it was an accident. I may not have desired the extent of that injury, but I threw it to do damage. I think Weidman's counter to Anderson's leg strike is the same concept
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Way different in my opinion. Its more like you put your fist up to deflect their jaw with the intention of your opponent hurting them self and you break it instead. Its luck. Not something you honed in on
 
You put your fist up to deflect their jaw?..I suspect that they knew if he checked properly then there was a good chance that something could be broken.
 
I'm willing to bet that it has now found its way into a whole lot more fighter's training regimen as a result of that fight.
 
ballinouttacntrol said:
Way different in my opinion. Its more like you put your fist up to deflect their jaw with the intention of your opponent hurting them self and you break it instead. Its luck. Not something you honed in on
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it is the same concept. the intent is to do harm. the extent of the harm depends on placement of contact, strength of the impact and the accuracy of the counter technique. but any harm done as a result is not luck

to call it luck is to imply it was simply a misfortune. which I don't think it is at all. it was a direct result of a hard kick correctly checked right at the knee or right below the knee

in the event people start launching their jaws at their opponents, i'm sure a defensive counter would be used to deflect it. and if the jaw breaks as a result, that's not really an accident either
 
ballinouttacntrol said:
Lol, you know what i mean. I doubt theres anything anyone could say about a leg check that can convince me its an offense skill meant to directly win a match


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well, i'm sure chris was surprised as anyone. I don't think anyone uses a leg check with the intent to win a match. it's used to protect themselves and at the same time cause harm to the opponent. if it happens to end the fight, it wasn't an accident and it wasn't luck.
 
ballinouttacntrol said:
Nothing sumo, nothing will convince me. Try someone else. My mind is made up on this topic.


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of course you'd say that

I think where we agree is that the technique isn't used with the intent of it being a finishing move

where we disagree is that the worse case injury occurring would be the result of pure luck
 
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