Why haven't Coldwater species have been popularized yet?

[Nim Dibbley]

A lot of good reasons in this thread in regard to why fishkeepers dont keep natives. one thing not touched on is when a non native species gets introduced into local waterways. most tropical fish won't survive in most of the US. snakeheads obv can and managed to establish themselves and impact the native species and have since become illegal. The northern pike is an example of a northern midwest native fish introduced and established in non native California waterways. i'm sure most of us here wouldnt release a fish into a local lake. but there are people out there that do.

 

[spiff44]

How compatible are natives with SA? There are ponds/lakes all over the place around me that are massively over populated. Especially the smaller ponds... as fast as you throw a hook in the water you'll be pulling out little moochies...1.5 -2in bluegills... usually with incredible markings that I can't even find when I Google bluegill pictures online. (this is when purposely fishing for small fish.. tiny hooks.. shallow little coves..ect)

And around 1 in 8 catches will be baby channel cats.

 

[divemaster99]

How about you guys post what the fish look like a majority of the time and not just the breeding dress? it's only fair right?


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I have been, only one of the 6 or 7 pictures I posted was a breeding fish. But if you want more pictures then so be it.

 

[timetraveler22]

I have been, only one of the 6 or 7 pictures I posted was a breeding fish. But if you want more pictures then so be it.

Here are some more year-round colored fish that live in temperate/coldwater

Red Shiner
Bluenose Shiner
And a sailfin sculpin to not leave out the coldwater saltwater possibilities.

All photos do belong to their respectful owners.

 

[jaws7777]

Divemaster
How do you know they arent in breeding dress ?
I dont think anyone is disagrees that some natives are stunning. But way more variety in tropicals.. for every colorful pic of a native you can find 10 of tropicals.

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[timetraveler22]

How do you know they arent in breeding dress ?
I dont think anyone is disagrees that some mative are stunning. But way more variety in tropicals.. for every colorful pic of a native you can find 10 of tropicals.

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I didn't say anything about there being a ton of coldwater species. I'm just saying there's a bit of a lesser known diversity of coldwater species that many aquarist haven't looked at. My brother for example thinks ALL shiners are exactly like a golden shiner who's only good use is as bait. But there are still plenty of shiners that come in all forms of colors and shapes. I also know that what pictures I found are to be the non-breeding dress, was because of researching through my Peterson Field Guides and Paul Humann's ID to California-Alaska Coastal fish(which I recommend the whole series to anyone into wildlife). I should also note species such as marbled gobies, monos, scats, datnoids, and silver dollars that pretty much have little color. Those species are favorites because other reasons other than color as well.

 

[jaws7777]

I didn't say anything about there being a ton of coldwater species. I'm just saying there's a bit of a lesser known diversity of coldwater species that many aquarist haven't looked at. My brother for example thinks ALL shiners are exactly like a golden shiner who's only good use is as bait. But there are still plenty of shiners that come in all forms of colors and shapes. I also know that what pictures I found are to be the non-breeding dress, was because of researching through my Peterson Field Guides and Paul Humann's ID to California-Alaska Coastal fish(which I recommend the whole series to anyone into wildlife). I should also note species such as marbled gobies, monos, scats, datnoids, and silver dollars that pretty much have little color. Those species are favorites because other reasons other than color as well.

Time the comment wasnt directed towards you i think we replied at the same time. I totally agree with your statement. Since the beginning of the thread ive been saying i think there are more options with tropicals which may be why they are more popular and color is inly one aspect.


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[divemaster99]

Divemaster
How do you know they arent in breeding dress ?
I dont think anyone is disagrees that some natives are stunning. But way more variety in tropicals.. for every colorful pic of a native you can find 10 of tropicals.

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Because I went on many collecting trips last summer and fall and they were all just as colorful as the spring.

 

[timetraveler22]

Jaws, exactly! There is too many times people always go "ugh, natives! No color, ugly, cheap, only use is on the end of line". So they go for the pretty fish, or the mean, big, predators to add some testosterone for the man cave. But if there could be something like a red shiner import in the lfs, and they call them coldwater barbs(compatible with goldfish and no heater needed!) and not red shiners as the labels, would more people investing in that fish? P.S. That's what was on the segrest farms website a while ago.

 

[krichardson]

Interesting thread that I've somehow missed until now.I'm just chiming in here and did not read from the beginning but did anyone bring up the various laws in the different states regarding the collection of these fish?...They could also be a reason for native fish not being as popular as they could be in hobby.