Lacerdae hoplias ID?
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Hard to say but need a close up of the under the jaw shot. It has a nice blotchy pattern from the pic/video lacs can have that. Much different than the herring bone pattern of malas but still not definitive to make an ID.
I think you should get some jaw shots of the thing! That should give us a better idea what it is.
Doesn't look like a Lacerdae to me.
I took on the painstaking task of dealing with Ken and honestly I think I bought a couple of the most expensive Malabaricus that anyone's probably ever bought.
Doesn't look like a lacerdae IMO a underside jaw shot would help a lot though... How big is that guy? Nice looking fish btws
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ok, Clarification, malabaracus does not occur in Uruguay, there is a smaller brown species in the southern part of the country Felipe calls cf malabaracus because it is the brownest one in the country, the rest of the Hoplias in the central and northern parts of the country are lacerdae and australis, until very recently australis was considered a sub species of lacerdae. Now all the fish we catch are either lacerdae or australis, depends on where they were caught, and where rivers that have lacerdae run into the Rio Uruguay there are intergrade crosses between the 2, I consider any we caught in Belle Union as australis and any from the central or norther part of the country lacerdae. I don't know where Joe caught the fish in the pictures, but it is not any type of malabaracus, all you experts who have never been in the field, never caught a wild fish and use other peoples pictures to start you case, (ie Felipe's pic) all of you use is not a comparison of malabaracus and lacerdae, but actually is lacerdae and australis, I keep seeing it pop up in all the discussions.
So what's a malabaricus under jaw like? Have we been giving wrong id's or have we been correct? Do you have any pics that we'd be able to use as reference when trying to id someone's wolf? That'd be helpful if; especially if we've been wrong. But not to sound offending, how do you know that's an australis and not a mala? How do you differentiate a mala and australis?
Why not clear the air for all us "experts"......
Which fish is which in Felipe's pic cause clearly there's some confusion, as it seems you and this forum are backwards in which fish is which????
IF a fish is an Australis then why sell it as Lacerdae? This is no different then any expensive fish - ATF, Rays etc. Wouldn't you want to market the fish to the people buying them in the ID they associate them with rather then what science classifies them as? We all know science is pretty "general" when it comes to a lot of this stuff. When I spend hundreds of dollars on fish is it really too much to ask for a proper ID? Maybe it is? But if we are expected to not discuss these fish we spend good money on then there wouldn't be a site like this would there? Maybe some people could care less what the wolf is, but to someone looking for real Lacs it's a bit of a let down. IF you know the proper ID don't you think your customers would be happier if you used it? I know I sure would have been......
This is no different then ATF. When someone's going to drop a chunk of change on ATF where do they buy them? From the guy who KNOWS what he has. Why? Cause then customers end up happy with what they spent their money on cause they got what they wanted.
Not really sure why never being in the field or catching a wild fish has anything to do with proper IDs or does that go back to what makes a person an expert? It really doesn't matter to me who the expert is as long as someone can sell me the fish I want to buy.
I'm with DB, I spend my money on fish and I do WANT the SELLER give me a right species ID, especially these wolfs extremely hard to ID suck at small size and easy mistaken or confuse with other similar species. I love my wolf and I didn't care much what species I'm getting but when seller said it's Lacerdae then I would expect it's a right species and that is what I'm happy to pay for it.
