negative, the law dictates that servers may be paid well under minimum wage in quite a few states. Don't get me wrong, I think tipping is out of control and ridiculous. And the fact that anyone would put up with being paid less than minimum wage is just silly. Get a new job if not getting tipped is unfair, because an employer cheapskating on the employees salaries is twice as unfair. I never had a job were I didn't make minimum, and would never allow that lol.
Restaurant Banning Loud Children
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this is my problem with the tipping industry in America. you guys need to get your facts straight.
we've been through this so much even eddie can explain it on the fly. like eddie said, it is federal law (which means ALL of the states in the US) that every employee must be paid at least min wage. you can NOT allow any employee to make below min wage, whether they are a tipped employee or not.
for tipped workers, the law allows employers to pay their tipped employees under their state's min wage, banking on that after tips their tipped employees will make at least min wage. but this is where millions misunderstand, if the tipped employee makes less than min wage after an X amount of hours, THE EMPLOYER MUST, UNDER FEDERAL LAW, PAY THAT EMPLOYEE THE DIFFERENCE SO THAT HIS/HER WAGE IS UP TO THAT STATE'S MIN WAGE
people need to understand this, and stop using the excuse that these poor waitresses barely make $2.50/hour. if any tipped employee tells you this, they are lying or ignorant of the facts themselves
As previously mentioned, if a server receives less then the state's minimum wage, they fill out some paper work and the employer MUST pay them to bring them back up to the state's minimum wage. Even if the base pay is 2.13 and they received zero tips on their shift. I know waitress personally that went through a dry spell when the economy was crap and customers just weren't coming in. wasn't their fault. Can't get tips from an empty restaurant. Their employers had to pay for the loss wage which lead to even more reduction of staff. Just don't be fooled by this story that the customers must cover them.
Edit: crap, sumo already explained but oh well. I'm not deleting it lol
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only in America we do this (as far as I know of)
I've heard many times how people from other countries travel here, and they find it so bizarre that we do this here. they're like, wtf is this? why would I give you extra money??
it blows me away how americans are so brainwashed from doing this so long. the logic behind the concept, the double standard and entitlement just blows me away
last time I went out to eat at a local bbq joint, the bill was $79. I haven't tipped for like a year now, but the servers were so polite and on point, I left a $2 tip and slept like a baby that night. even felt good for giving her $2 extra
edit: eddie, you explained or at least mentioned it first in your last post. but yea, don't delete, the more we say it the better
I've heard many times how people from other countries travel here, and they find it so bizarre that we do this here. they're like, wtf is this? why would I give you extra money??
it blows me away how americans are so brainwashed from doing this so long. the logic behind the concept, the double standard and entitlement just blows me away
last time I went out to eat at a local bbq joint, the bill was $79. I haven't tipped for like a year now, but the servers were so polite and on point, I left a $2 tip and slept like a baby that night. even felt good for giving her $2 extra
edit: eddie, you explained or at least mentioned it first in your last post. but yea, don't delete, the more we say it the better
and he's got a loud family. My point made.
Ban loud kids and good tippers will fill their seats. Win win for everyone.
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Ban loud kids and good tippers will fill their seats. Win win for everyone.
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no louder than any other family with young kids
I really don't care if people want to continue to tip. tip all you want, as much as you want every single time you eat out or go to a bar
just don't try to tell me to do it. I am more than happy to explain why no one should do it, but if you still choose to, by all means go right ahead. but I shouldn't be judged because I don't agree to it
cheapskate, go eat at mcdonald's, water down my drinks, intentionally make me wait longer.........blah blah blah
I never thought krich would be the one to call me a cheapskate though, that kind of hurt
I really don't care if people want to continue to tip. tip all you want, as much as you want every single time you eat out or go to a bar
just don't try to tell me to do it. I am more than happy to explain why no one should do it, but if you still choose to, by all means go right ahead. but I shouldn't be judged because I don't agree to it
cheapskate, go eat at mcdonald's, water down my drinks, intentionally make me wait longer.........blah blah blah
I never thought krich would be the one to call me a cheapskate though, that kind of hurt
Re: Kids: depends on the restaurant. If I go to Chillies, Dennys, The Olive Garden something like that, then I expect that there will be children and assume there will be some level of child noise. Would never take a date there (well before I was married). In places like that I still expect kids to behave but would not expect no noise or banning. At a good restaurant where I am paying out more than a couple of hundred bucks for dinner with my wife, then I expect there to be relative quiet aside from the bustle of the the restaurant. I say this as someone with a 5 year old. He is pretty good no matter where I take him, but would leave my favorite French restaurant if he began acting out. I probably wouldn't do that at Denny's or Chillies though.
Re Tipping: If you don't want to tip go to MacDonalds. Tipping is part of going out, imo. They don't tip as much in Europe because they get paid better wages, but they still tip. In many Asian countries people tip and workers expect to get tipped. Not just an American thing. I am from Canada originally, try going to a restaurant in Montreal a go away without tipping. You will get murdered (I am exaggerating but you will get an earful for sure)!
Re Tipping: If you don't want to tip go to MacDonalds. Tipping is part of going out, imo. They don't tip as much in Europe because they get paid better wages, but they still tip. In many Asian countries people tip and workers expect to get tipped. Not just an American thing. I am from Canada originally, try going to a restaurant in Montreal a go away without tipping. You will get murdered (I am exaggerating but you will get an earful for sure)!
I remember this topic on here a while back i think most agreed that the ban should be put in place at the owners disgression of really nice five star restraunts where a steak is $50 or $60+ a place where small unrully children probably don't belong in the first place as for anywhere else then it children are fine if the parents do their job and keep them under control which imo isn't common enough in the us anymore
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my apologies, I was unaware of that fact. I completely agree with tipping, I think its silly to expect it. I'll tip a buck here and there for good service at a coffee shop or something, and I definitely tip my bartender. but none of this crazy 10-20% bs. I lived off tips when I worked at Dairy Queen back in the day, sure didn't expect them though...I put candy and soft serve in a cup and mixed it up for 10 seconds, nothing I'd expect extra over, but I certainly didn't refuse either haha.
and that's my problem,........"tipping is part of going out." it's been done so long that this is the majority consensus and attitude. that thought process has been branded and deeply ingrained into our mindset. but like you said, "in your opinion"
if it's your opinion then it should be kept that way. don't pass judgment on people over an insane concept to begin with. I can't speak on other countries that practice tipping because I don't know the details of their laws. but here in the states, it's not mandatory and the tipped workers are getting paid what they are worth, they aren't losing any income whether I tip or not. so I don't give a rat's arse if disagreeing to it upsets people
