If your LFS is awesome is it okay

[Ihsnshaik]

Why would you be buying or have bought in past fish from a place that had tanks with ich in it is more the question..

No offense to you but you proved my point spot on.

If a person is even remotely doing their due diligence (checking all LFS tanks for ich beforehand which takes about 5 min) then you shouldn't be all-consumed with introducing fish. It should be an easy 30 min floating in bag for temp adjust then in it goes.

Unless obviously you bought fish from a LFS with ich in its tanks.. which is unfathomable.....and obviously your own fault.

You must be new to fish keeping ich can be in the water just because it's not on the fish doesn't mean the water won't carry ich. Lol you sound very arrogant you do know many lfs don't breed their fish and most are imports. Who knows what they carrY.

You created this thread for no reason. You have your mind made up. Go ahead put the tank water in the tank without a care.

Also the times I have had ich I bought it from hobbyiest from a local group forum and you can't just visually check for damn ich.

 

[celebrist]

Ich(Ichthyophthirius multifilius) is present in all systems but only emerges in stressed fish.

One other consideration is most LFS apply copper to their holding tanks, something you may not want in your system, especially if any inverts are present...

Not just Ich either, there are lots of things present that healthy fish fight off that the stress of a move can bring on. Good post

Others: It is easy to get snarky with people but I don't think that it's productive

 

[RD.]

A nod is as good as a wink, to a blind horse.

 

[TxDemb4theoilOligarchs]

You must be new to fish keeping ich can be in the water just because it's not on the fish doesn't mean the water won't carry ich. Lol you sound very arrogant you do know many lfs don't breed their fish and most are imports. Who knows what they carrY.

You created this thread for no reason. You have your mind made up. Go ahead put the tank water in the tank without a care.

Also the times I have had ich I bought it from hobbyiest from a local group forum and you can't just visually check for damn ich.

100% completely agree to disagree.


First off, a fish can (and often does) have a number of diseases present in their system (just as a human does, think a cold or flu) at any given time that are simply dormant because the fish is healthy and the disease cannot manifest in said healthy fish. So the notion that "if there's any disease that is dormant in the water at all you are doomed unless you practice this torturous water/QT process with said fish" is total lunacy.

IF anything by going through this overly complicated water/QT process with new, healthy fish, you are in fact actually stressing the fish to the point of enabling the disease to manifest when it otherwise wouldn't have.


Your argument isn't sound from my perspective.

-It doesn't take into account the actual fish's stress in the bag

-It ignores the entire basic concept of stress of a biological entity in favor of random hypotheticals (That you may very well be causing to come true via the bag/QT torture sessions)

 

[SharptoothBass]

Not going to get into the debate but one of my all time favorite lfs used to quarantine everything. Even if you ordered a special fish (wich they would always do upon request, if the fish was available) you still could not pick it up until it was done with quarantine, even if the fish was never going in their tanks. Don't know how this placed closed filtration was awesome and the sump under the tanks was super clean.

 

[thebiggerthebetter]

Perhaps I am dense but I don't understand why we are talking about quarantine. It is not the same as acclimation and the OP is challenging the conventional wisdom of how we do the acclimation and the fish transfer into a tank (albeit I too struggled with the wording of the OP).

IMHO we should leave QT altogether out of this discussion. It only muddles it up.

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The conventional agreement is that a fish does better with a proper acclimation under average re-homing circumstances. AFAIK, tank water should be added to the bag water gradually and evenly (by drip or in 10%-20% portions) so that after say 1 hour the mixture is ~90% tank water.

This evens out the temp and also water chemistry - pH, hardness, dissolved solids like salinity, etc.

I do it in a cooler or in a bucket.

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It is well established that water column contains free-floating pathogens, e.g., parasite and parasite larvae. One aims to minimize their introduction into their tank. Hence, the netting.

The netting process also makes certain parasites to leave the fish's body, like rats jump from a sinking ship. But I don't think this carries much significance.

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I agree with the OP that the other side of this coin is the prolongation of stress for the fish, during both the acclimation and the netting. I guess practice shows that this is either an insignificant factor or that the positives far outweigh the negatives.

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Let's try to have an edifying, pleasant discussion and keep emotions and accusations out of this. Name calling too.

A nod is as good as a wink, to a blind horse.

RD. Bless us with your wisdom, Master

 

[TxDemb4theoilOligarchs]

What it really boils down to is,

-Keep fish in a small plastic bag longer

-Put fish into big aquarium sooner


Every time I will go with put fish in tank sooner. I will never believe that tampering with the water in the bag and keeping fish in it longer is better than not doing so.

Again, agree to disagree I guess.

I will never believe putting the fish into tank after 30 min causes disease. If the fish develops a disease it has nothing to do with how you introduced it to the tank so long as you acclimated temperature for 30 min via floating.

(I would however argue that spending an hour pouring water into a bag with fish in it could very well induce massive amounts of stress and cause its immune system to weaken hence developing disease).

 

[celebrist]

I don't do either of those things

 

[Frank Castle]

why do people make threads asking us a question and spend the entire rest of the thread arguing that the answer we gave him which they asked us for isn't good enough for them and they end up just doing what they want anyway?

Just do what you want, Tx.....we don't lose anything if your fish die or your tank gets diseases. You do. If you didn't need our help, why did you ask for it, Bro? Like Ace already said, there's no point to this thread if you don't listen the opinions you were asking for.

 

[krichardson]

why do people make threads asking us a question and spend the entire rest of the thread arguing that the answer we gave him which they asked us for isn't good enough for them and they end up just doing what they want anyway?

Just do what you want, Tx.....we don't lose anything if your fish die or your tank gets diseases. You do. If you didn't need our help, why did you ask for it, Bro? Like Ace already said, there's no point to this thread if you don't listen the opinions you were asking for.

Exactamundo!....there really is nothing else to say after the op's last post.