Haha I love these threads. The best ones are the Craigslist arowana scams people hypothetically ask about haha
If your LFS is awesome is it okay
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I'll catch hell here probably but I don't float fish and I generally pour the bag until the fish comes out with the tank water lol. Not the safest practice but I haven't lost a fish to disease since my earlier times.
my theory is if the bag water is colder than the tank, your fish will be fine without acclimation.
my theory is if the bag water is colder than the tank, your fish will be fine without acclimation.
ya...this. after reading OP's posts I feel bad stating how I add new fish to my tank...
Diseases can be very much unseen in the water and in new fish. As Ihsnshaik stated...ich can be free floating in the tank water...the fish you bought may have a higher immunity than your fish you just unleashed hell on at home lol.
I don't see where you should feel bad or anything for how you handle your new aquisitions as that is your method....and as long as you are not disputing anyone else's advice lol.
The rule of thumb I use is if the fish looks in distress(floating sideways, etc), and this pertains more to fish arriving thru shipping; I immediately put in quarantine tank. If the fish looks normal, I acclimate as usual but I do believe in quarantine tanks and try not to add bag water, if possible.
Would you let your blood be drawn with the same needle they used on Magic Johnson because he appears to be healthy?
IMHO, there is a point in this thread and in creating it too. Just because we could not change the OP's initial inclinations, it does not make the thread useless.
One cannot assume that only when someone agrees with you or even with majority that the thread is justified. This is false.
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Onto the topic... OP, all you appear to be focused on is the new arrival. The acclimation procedure and the net-assisted transfer protect the already established inhabitants as well as the new arrival. Some commercial vendors even suggest doing a salt bath during the acclimation to get rid of skin and gill flukes (monogenetic trematodes) - 30 min, 5 level tablespoons of salt per gallon.
All one needs to do is examine a sample of bag water versus tank water under a microscope to see all the foreign (extraneous to what already exists in the tank water) fauna being introduced with the bag water.
As Predatorkeeper87 states, it is possible to get away with the OP-championed technique and many do, which, however, is a testament to the resilience of our pets, and not at all to the elegance of this technique.
Not only bag water contains pathogens but also deleterious pollutants (chemicals leach out of plastic bags into water) and metabolites, including a variety of hormones - growth hormone, alarm hormone, etc.
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Again, we are speaking of a general case, average.
Special cases where the bag water might have been heavily compromised should be considered separately and not piled up together with an average case because it, again, muddles everything up.
In case of a heavy contamination, one may indeed speed up the acclimation and/or add a tiny bit of Ammo-Lock to the bag water to detox the ammonia instantly. There should not be any nitrite but for a peace of mind, a tiny bit of a solution of table salt can be added to detox the nitrite instantly.
Prime and other conditioners can be used to accomplish the same.
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This is the convention: DO NOT MIX BAG WATER INTO YOUR TANK
http://www.firsttankguide.net/introduce.php
http://www.fishlore.com/acclimating-tropicalfish.htm
http://www.wikihow.com/Acclimate-a-Fish
http://www.cpp.edu/~jskoga/Aquariums/Acclimation.html
etc. etc.etc.etc.etc.
IMHO, before one challenges the convention, they better have a solid scientific ground to do so, not only general considerations. These are not convincing.
One cannot assume that only when someone agrees with you or even with majority that the thread is justified. This is false.
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Onto the topic... OP, all you appear to be focused on is the new arrival. The acclimation procedure and the net-assisted transfer protect the already established inhabitants as well as the new arrival. Some commercial vendors even suggest doing a salt bath during the acclimation to get rid of skin and gill flukes (monogenetic trematodes) - 30 min, 5 level tablespoons of salt per gallon.
All one needs to do is examine a sample of bag water versus tank water under a microscope to see all the foreign (extraneous to what already exists in the tank water) fauna being introduced with the bag water.
As Predatorkeeper87 states, it is possible to get away with the OP-championed technique and many do, which, however, is a testament to the resilience of our pets, and not at all to the elegance of this technique.
Not only bag water contains pathogens but also deleterious pollutants (chemicals leach out of plastic bags into water) and metabolites, including a variety of hormones - growth hormone, alarm hormone, etc.
*****************************************************************
Again, we are speaking of a general case, average.
Special cases where the bag water might have been heavily compromised should be considered separately and not piled up together with an average case because it, again, muddles everything up.
In case of a heavy contamination, one may indeed speed up the acclimation and/or add a tiny bit of Ammo-Lock to the bag water to detox the ammonia instantly. There should not be any nitrite but for a peace of mind, a tiny bit of a solution of table salt can be added to detox the nitrite instantly.
Prime and other conditioners can be used to accomplish the same.
**************************************************************
This is the convention: DO NOT MIX BAG WATER INTO YOUR TANK
http://www.firsttankguide.net/introduce.php
http://www.fishlore.com/acclimating-tropicalfish.htm
http://www.wikihow.com/Acclimate-a-Fish
http://www.cpp.edu/~jskoga/Aquariums/Acclimation.html
etc. etc.etc.etc.etc.
IMHO, before one challenges the convention, they better have a solid scientific ground to do so, not only general considerations. These are not convincing.
What is useless, is attempting to convince someone who already firmly believes that they know it all. Anyone that has been in this hobby for more than 5 minutes knows that LFS water has the potential to contain numerous pathogens.
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