What IS a BD?
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To have a better understanding of P13
P13 there is PDR, BDLEO and BDs or aome greet at BDTI ( black diamond thousand island)
PDR aka Polka-dot =321
BDleo is without skitting or less skitting
BD is full skitting
BDTI is full skitting with thousand island
The real thousand island is only able to be seen only the fish is big, it will slowly pop out more and more
I have attach a few photo from google so u guys can see the different.
The photo started from PDR, BDLEO, BD, BDTI
For a pure BD, it spot should be small and is not round in shape
Thanks
P13 there is PDR, BDLEO and BDs or aome greet at BDTI ( black diamond thousand island)
PDR aka Polka-dot =321
BDleo is without skitting or less skitting
BD is full skitting
BDTI is full skitting with thousand island
The real thousand island is only able to be seen only the fish is big, it will slowly pop out more and more
I have attach a few photo from google so u guys can see the different.
The photo started from PDR, BDLEO, BD, BDTI
For a pure BD, it spot should be small and is not round in shape
Thanks
Yup I would agree mostly with this. It's used to ascociate quality with a name. Pretty simple. First pic Leo, then I would say BD third pic I would argue has pearl but 4th definitely thousound island BD with eclipse
I've about had it with the stupid reply that BDs and Leos are the same species. Are we scientists here or hobbyists? I'm a hobbyist. IF I'm looking for a quality BD I don't want plain ol Leo bred with a real BD passed off as a BD. Do I give a rats ass what the scientific name of my ray is? NO. All most people care about is getting the ray they want.
Matt, IF you think you can teach me a lil something about BDs please do..... Maybe you can post pics of yours and I post pics of mine and we can compare notes? Despite the fact you think I have some sort of difficulty understanding the difference. Believe me, I'm plenty aware of the difference, and I also understand anything black wioth white spots is called a "BD" these days and any hybrid with black ray in it is also qualifies it to be called a "BD hybrid" now a days.
I just thought people might appreciate the differences we USED to judge them by.......
Lets cut through the scientific BS eh? We are raykeepers, NOT scientists.
Matt, IF you think you can teach me a lil something about BDs please do..... Maybe you can post pics of yours and I post pics of mine and we can compare notes? Despite the fact you think I have some sort of difficulty understanding the difference. Believe me, I'm plenty aware of the difference, and I also understand anything black wioth white spots is called a "BD" these days and any hybrid with black ray in it is also qualifies it to be called a "BD hybrid" now a days.
I just thought people might appreciate the differences we USED to judge them by.......
Lets cut through the scientific BS eh? We are raykeepers, NOT scientists.
So because we are hobbyists we shouldn't be educated? So you disagree with the statement that black diamonds and Leo's are the same species? We should disregard the fact that black diamond and Leopoldi are the same species because the fact they look different? I don't know why you continue to argue this. Your flat out wrong. If your looking for a quality ray wouldn't you look at the ray at hand over the lineage? If I'm looking for a quality black diamond and I see a pup that looks to be a quality black diamond would I care whether one of the parents may be a Leo? I just don't see your argument. Do you disagree with the fact that they are the same species? Do you disagree with the fact that black diamond is associated with the quality of the grade of the ray? Because you currently have a "black diamond" I shouldn't voice my opinion on the fact that you are scientifically and logically incorrect? It seems you have a problem with mislabelled rays yet you just stated the scientific aspect doesn't matter? Maybe this is why rays are mislabelled
Are you aware that animals of the same species can have different appearances? Are you aware that although they are the same species they can be differentiated from each other? If you are aware please apply what you know to this situation and figure it out for yourself
Yes they are the same species.... no they are not the same . We have allowed the designation black diamond to move away from the classic Fish which was a Leo showing certain physical traits. Your argument about lineage vs fish on hand is also incorrect because rays change a ton from pup to adult- and if you do not know the lineage you do not know what you will ultimately wind up with or what any babies you may produce with those fish. I personally like the look of hybrids but I hate the fact no one is honest about the lineage of the parents so one can make there own decision on what they want.
You are correct however the argument can be made either way. You can have an amazing black diamond quality pup end up looking like a regular bdxleo or you can have a meh looking pup end up looking like a high end black diamond with thousand island spotting that wasn't visual in the pup. There used to be, not such the case anymore where certain breeders used to use what's called a holder fish. This would basically be the biggest female that could produce the biggest litters regardless of the quality. Often a very large leo. much of the "black diamonds" that were sold were BDxLeo yet they were still deemed to be good quality black diamonds. Not arguing on lineage, genetics plays a huge role in a fish's appearance but it could be argued that quality pups can result from parents of good and bad quality. Take albinism in pearls. Two regular looking parents can create an albino pup. Two regular looking Leo's can create a black diamond looking ray. A black diamond and a Leo can create a Leo looking ray. This is why if I buy a ray my decision is dominantly determined by the pup I'm looking at. I could also argue that the original black diamond is a result of gene isolating a group of Leo rays. Kinda how all Swedish people are blue eyes blonde hair
