Fake Vendors and Nonsense in the Market....

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thebiggerthebetter thebiggerthebetter , RD. RD. ; I love you guys. The quality you two consistently produce is the direction I want to try to push this forum toward.

What they say is true. You newer cats should listen to them. I will help ANYONE on this forum, within the limits of my ability to do so, to be a productive member. I even tried to turn around white specter crayfish (lost cause though that was).

All of you can PM me with your concerns, and I'll give it at least a fair consideration. Replies may be slow for the time being as I have turned the forum on it's head which has me busy, but I am 100% on the team that wants to learn new things and teach others. I have no tolerance for the crowd that only wants the biggest fish to offset their tiny peepee, and I'll happily give those folks the hammer.
 
thebiggerthebetter thebiggerthebetter , RD. RD. ; I love you guys. The quality you two consistently produce is the direction I want to try to push this forum toward.

What they say is true. You newer cats should listen to them. I will help ANYONE on this forum, within the limits of my ability to do so, to be a productive member. I even tried to turn around white specter crayfish (lost cause though that was).

All of you can PM me with your concerns, and I'll give it at least a fair consideration. Replies may be slow for the time being as I have turned the forum on it's head which has me busy, but I am 100% on the team that wants to learn new things and teach others. I have no tolerance for the crowd that only wants the biggest fish to offset their tiny peepee, and I'll happily give those folks the hammer.

All I got out of that was you said "peepee" :hitting:
 
FYI ...…. I was referring to those that lack reading comprehension skills, as in how to properly list something in the classifieds. If one can't manage that, or even be bothered to take the time to read the rules prior to listing something, IMO simplifying the simple won't help. This is a discussion about the Marketplace.

Thanks RD. You are right. I got way carried away in my own self admiring song and dance.

Getting away from the Marketplace discussion, and completely off topic, I agree with some of the rest of what you stated, but on the flip side show me a site that is overly heavy handed, where comments get removed, threads locked, and someone is constantly attempting to tell me what and how to do it, and I'll find the door real quick. .

No disagreement here. Success must be in the balance.

There is a lot more on this site outside the open discussions, that already is organized, such as scores of stickies, and various articles, that are already easily found, if someone is willing to open their eyes. It is due to that current knowledge base that visitors are constantly landing here. Right now there are;
Total: 1,129 (members: 101, guests: 774)

Agree but more of a good thing is better. I believe if what I am proposing were implemented, these numbers would increase by 10-100 fold.

Anyone that feels qualified can write an article and submit it, or start a thought provoking or fact filled thread that if found worthy can be stickied to the top of the folder. But I don't think we should be limiting anyone's "fun", either. Some people just like to post pics of their fish, and the majority of the entire thread might be considered "fluff" to some.

Our thoughts are not mutually exclusive. They can be thought of as complementing each other. What I am saying is if the site has been deemed to be working more or less fine, then don't fix what ain't broken. But if we are in a decline and in a foreseeable trouble, something I read many have been lamenting, then we need to change something, modify lightly or retool seriously, what not.

Thank you RD.

thebiggerthebetter thebiggerthebetter , RD. RD. ... I have no tolerance for the crowd that only wants the biggest fish to offset their tiny peepee, and I'll happily give those folks the hammer.
Suddenly I find myself in the cohorts of those with wanting comprehension skills just cited by RD. What does this mean? I want the biggest fish. Do I only want the biggest fish? Hmm... Perhaps I'd have to posit yes, if I am truthful. I never thought of my apparatus in these terms but then again I have never tried to compare with the apparati of others... Could I have been short changed and have not known it for 46 years? Could this be the root of most of my problems?
 
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MFK now has to compete with Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, etc.

It is up to each individual MFKer to make our favorite site more appealing by posting interesting and useful and user-friendly content. Don't count on others to do it.

If 90%+ of what you do (I don't mean you in particular) is post one-two liners unburdened by any usefulness to anyone else but with who you are having an SMS-type exchange, and even to them only for half a second, then we won't get new members that way. It's too much fluff.

People respect helpfulness and usefulness in the first and foremost place because our hobby is relatively very high tech, high knowledge, and demanding. That makes them want to join and stay and grow and be a part of something significant.

If you wanna be a part of a great texting community, join Twitter, or Yelper, or Whiner, or Crapper, whatever.

I am not for all work and no fun but work must be 90% and 10% is for fun or some such balance.

For many years I have been trying to put a suggestion in the box that I think we must have and enforce the forum rule that no trivial content is welcome in most threads, where serious things are being discussed and which threads are likely to be used in the future for homework by countless peers. Like "Thank you" or "Oh, that's great!" or "What's wrong with you?", etc.

Moreover, I have been suggesting for years that we should have a user-friendly knowledge-and-experience-based database describing first hand experience of owning such and such fish. This is the foundation on which you can have all the bells and whistles you want but without it you have NOTHING.

The goal is, say, a new comer comes into MFK because they are googling what to expect when one keeps a SA redtail catfish. Boom! MFK has a section "SA RTC" where over years MFKers have accumulated a 100 or a 1000 threads about their personal experience of keeping the RTC and not just any threads! These threads are interesting, abound in visuals, and are to the point, not diluted by fluff, flamings, or arguing, and they are followed through from fish purchase to fish demise and everything in between, and all is analyzed and conclusions are drawn.

Everyone is vexed to spend 5-8 hours out of 10 homework hours looking for the right threads and then sifting through the threads for the nuggets of usefulness. No one want to do it! And who would blame them? Such homework is disheartening.

Imagine having such a collection for most fish most of us keep?! There'd be no value to it. Each of us today could benefit greatly from it. Everyone in the world who does any homework or even just a quick search will know it. That'd be an eternal temple built on solid foundation.

To it, one can fasten a MarketPlace, Lounge, etc. whatever they want, and whatever they hang on it will thrive. Why? Because of the foundation. Because of the interest and traffic it creates.

Without it, it has nothing to offer and is destined to slowly die off into oblivion like waterwolves etc.

EDIT: and this may not require much or any programming. A lot of this can be started to get accomplished today simply through our agreement, goodwill, and fair policing... self-policing in the first place - ask yourself if you care about MFK - am I about to bring a value to the MFK by typing what I am typing? Am I being helpful and useful? Remember the wisdom: GIGO.

Garbage in. Garbage out.
I love this. It is so true. A good forum has members that can remember what it was like to be a beginner and place themselves there when helping the beginner. With this, you are able to explain the how and why and not just the what. If you are not able to explain the how and why, you are giving an answer that will not help others to learn.

Providing good, sold information is what will sustain a forum. It brings the novice in and helps/him/her get to the stage where they are able to enjoy the hobby.

It is also a hobby of complexity that provides the life-long fish-keeper a reason to stay interested and keep learning. You realize that the more you know the more you have opportunity to learn from other experienced fish keepers. There are people in every forum that have niches of knowledge that are essential to a strong forum.
 
Suddenly I find myself in the cohorts of those with wanting comprehension skills just cited by RD. What does this mean? I want the biggest fish. Do I only want the biggest fish? Hmm... Perhaps I'd have to posit yes, if I am truthful. I never thought of my apparatus in these terms but then again I have never tried to compare with the apparati of others... Could I have been short changed and have not known it for 46 years? Could this be the root of most of my problems?

Viktor you absolutely are not the type of person I am talking about there :cheers:
 
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The fact is not everyone who enjoys monster fish can afford a big tank. Should not make this out to be a hobby for the elite with big wallets and tanks. If there is a will, there is a way.
Totally agree with educating others but made up stuff should be hammered.
Not enough sharing on this forum! :mwave:
 
It is up to each individual MFKer to make our favorite site more appealing by posting interesting and useful and user-friendly content. Don't count on others to do it.

I completely agree, but you can't force people to post interesting and useful information. I only wish. At the same time if all of the useful information is only a click or two away, how many will simply use this site as a data base, glean what they need, and never take the time to join, or be interactive with other members? Ironically when I see some of the old timers here complaining about content, they are often the worst offenders at not contributing. There were a lot of not so good things, posted in the good old days, like telling new members it was okay to keep an Oscar for life in a 55 gallon. I like to think that in many ways this sites content has vastly improved over the years.

IMO tools such as the "Like" button have also contributed to less interaction, people don't have to type anything, just point & click, and voila, they have contributed with a Like. My solution to balance that was create a Do Not Like button, which I guess Rob et al decided not to run with. Thumbs up, thumbs down, just like in Roman times. In my defense, several members did give me a Like for that idea, so it could still be patent-pending. :idea:

https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/do-not-like-option.689214/

Made perfect sense to me, but in todays snowflake world I guess everyone gets a gold star, because words like fail no longer apply.
 
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He said,snowflake.I might have to "like" that lol!
 
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