Why are these being sold????

[jaws7777]

Personally I don't think banning large fish like arapaima, pangasius or red tail catfish would have hardly any effect on the hobby at all.
There are literally thousands of species of fish a local fish store can choose to stock. The bulk of them would outsell fish like arapaima tenfold.
Unfortunately there are people that just buy huge growing fish without giving a **** about its comfort or long term well being. That's just life, there's always an idiot round the corner not matter what your into.
I don't agree that most people keeping community fish are just as bad as those that buy arapaima etc. It's obvious that most people will house a group of guppies in more generous conditions than the bulk of people that buy pangasius catfish for example. It's one thing to own a revolver, it's another to own a bazooka.
If banning local fish stores from stocking fish like arapaima means less animals suffer then I'm all for it.
I do think fish like these tank busters should be available for those that can house them in giant tanks, buy ordering them only. Ordering fish in is no big deal, I do it all the time if I want a particular species. That's because I'm an enthusiast and won't mind being patient to get what I want.
People that have huge tanks and are true enthusiasts should not mind ordering in the particular species they are after.
I hate going to a fish store and seeing tank fulls of poor pangasius, frantically darting about their tiny tank that has a label on saying max size 8 inches.
So yes I do think fish like this should be available but to order only, for truely committed people.
As far as taking away people's wants and desires, Hitler had wants and desires.Should the world have let him carry on his dream? Of course not.
The same applies to people with no compassion or empathy for living creatures. The line has to be drawn somewhere. If that goes against someone's wishes, tough **** I say.

How are you ordering a fish thats banned ?

 

[jaws7777]

I think there are a lot more people capable of housing a betta properly than an arapaima.

So keeping them in cups of water is acceptable because more people can house them ? Isnt a betta bowl comparable to a monster fish not properly housed ?

 

[Stanzzzz7]

How are you ordering a fish thats banned ?

I never said out right ban them.
Lots of fish I have had to order are not in local fish shops. Rare cichlids usually means ordering in. Mainly because there is little market for them.

 

[Stanzzzz7]

So keeping them in cups of water is acceptable because more people can house them ? Isnt a betta bowl comparable to a monster fish not properly housed ?

I in no way consider betta bowls exceptible. I don't think many people keep them in bowls.Not in the uk anyway.

 

[jaws7777]

Well, here in australia nearly everything is banned and if there is suspicion you have something you shouldn't then the fisheries dept. (canT recall the exact name of the govt dept.) can come to your house. If they find something they will pour bleach into every tank you have ,killing the fish and all microorganisms. There used to be a shop that specialised in cichlids near me who got their house raided a few times.
Doubt it will come to that over there but you never know.

This right here. Another example of the real world. Most governments (especially mine) cant get the basics right. We expect them to get this right lol. Im no snakehead keeper but from what i understand the blanket bann on them is a mess since some species couldnt survive in these waters.... yet it is what it is

 

[BIG-G]

We can all keep debating this but to say we need animals to suffer at the hand of inexperienced keepers for the good of the hobby is the craziest thing I’ve ever heard!
We need more puppy mills it keeps the price of pure breed dogs down.

 

[islandguy11]

See we say the word ban... its easy to just state something shouldnt be allowed. The problem is where does it stop ? So how does a true enthusiast that cant properly house an RTC get one if they are banned ?

We're worried about all the rtc's and pangasius catfish, but why stop there ? Surely the betta fish in the cup of water is suffering. Lets ban those too. Its hypothetical to narrow this down to just large fish.

Again, I don't think anyone here is saying these fish shouldn't be allowed, we're just saying be educated and make sure you have the proper facilities/ability to take care of them properly. That's all. This includes Betta and every other fish.

 

[jaws7777]

We can all keep debating this but to say we need animals to suffer at the hand of inexperienced keepers for the good of the hobby is the craziest thing I’ve ever heard!
We need more puppy mills it keeps the price of pure breed dogs down.

No way bro i agree. I dont think anyone is saying that its a good thing. Only saying this its a dirty truth. It happens

 

[jaws7777]

I never said out right ban them.
Lots of fish I have had to order are not in local fish shops. Rare cichlids usually means ordering in. Mainly because there is little market for them.

You did say you dont see them being banned a problem. Even ordering fish doesnt really "solve" the problem. How many die in the importers facility? During transportation? While being collected ? I bet lots.

I in no way consider betta bowls exceptible. I don't think many people keep them in bowls.Not in the uk anyway.

I know you wouldnt bud, but its a very similar example. Betta in a cup of water or betta bowl is the same as an aro or rtc not being properly housed. Theres no way for us to quantify how many are kept in betta bowls same is theres no way for us to quantify how many rtcs are living in horrible conditions.

Again, I don't think anyone here is saying these fish shouldn't be allowed, we're just saying be educated and make sure you have the proper facilities/ability to take care of them properly. That's all. This includes Betta and every other fish.

Amen to that brother. I think everyone is saying the same thing but in different ways.

 

[BIG-G]

female dogs" is a refrence to the good ole days of this forum. used to be a joke here... its a joke to any O.G. out there lurkin in the shadows. I joke because this place used to be fun, light hearted and enjoyable... theres more threads of nonsense than fish anymore. Somebody gotta rally and keep it goin before its too late. If we cant rally as a community the law/masses will only crack down harder on what we do here. You may think its all a farse...you may think...hey itell never happen to me... but the end of an era is on our doorstep fellas. Are we too knowledgable these days? Have we directly eliminated LFS ourselves? How do new comers get inspried if theres nothing available local or to go off of.

This right here. What is this end of days talk? It’s on our doorstep? What? local fish stores closing because we are educating people on proper fish keeping. We need neubs to kill fish so we can order an arapaima in the future.