The line has been drawn with other animals
I can keep a cat but not a tiger.
I can keep a dog but not a wolf
I can keep a budgie but not an king vulture
I can keep a betta and a 7 foot predatory arapaima?
Which is the odd one out?
Why are these being sold????
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I can keep a cat but not a tiger.
I can keep a dog but not a wolf
I can keep a budgie but not an king vulture
I can keep a betta and a 7 foot predatory arapaima?
Which is the odd one out?
The reasons i cant keep those animals is because they can eat me not because of their size. Big difference. 7 foot predatory fish isnt going to crawl out of the tank and create havoc
OK fair enough crap example. I admit it.
Do you think local fish stores should stock arapaima in the same way they do guppies or neons?
The betta example doesn’t really fit this argument.
I know you’re comparing the container we keep fish in.
Bettas are more sedentary they don’t travel long distance or claim huge territory like larger fish do.
I too believe most of us agree more than not.
I Guess what I’m not understanding is the argument that we need to turn our heads and let fish suffer so we the more dedicated hobbyists can get what we want.
How is telling someone they need a pond for an arapaima going to stop me or cause the government to ban them?
I know you’re comparing the container we keep fish in.
Bettas are more sedentary they don’t travel long distance or claim huge territory like larger fish do.
I too believe most of us agree more than not.
I Guess what I’m not understanding is the argument that we need to turn our heads and let fish suffer so we the more dedicated hobbyists can get what we want.
How is telling someone they need a pond for an arapaima going to stop me or cause the government to ban them?
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The lfs stocking the arapaima could be the same way your cichlid supplier is stocking his cichlids. Crammed in holding tanks to use as much available realestate as possible.
How we think fish stores should stock these fish is irrelevant bro. Sire we would all want these fish to be housed in massive set ups. The fact is if its ok for a betta to live its life in a bowl of water how is that any different rhan an aro in a 180.
i disagree. Size is relative. Im no math wiz so forget getting into specifics. But if a betta claims 2 ft of water in the wild and a large fish claims 20 ft. Either way you cut it they are both being "mistreated"
"How is telling someone they need a pond for an arapaima going to stop me or cause the government to ban them"
I didnt say that. Maybe i missed it but im not agreeing with not educating newbies.
Banns yeah that im against.
The people in charge are the most uneducated of us all... thats the problem. My state set a "precident"/"blanket ban" directly affecting the keeping of large exotic animals fish included and there making an example for other states to follow... its coming...its already happening. If there is no community to fight back... were doomed. It will not stop. Every fish sp. is fair game... all it takes is a latin name on a list and ur done... men and black at ur door.
i may sound like an old crazy cat lady now... there will b a day where im sayin "i informed you thusly" haha... Bleed Blue ladies and gents... keep it going.
Along with some inspirational monster fish keepers, there were also lots of uneducated morons back in the 'good ole days', so much so that I didn't bother joining MFK for almost 2 years. MFK is what you make of it, no different than it has always been. End of days? lol
I have t-shirts older than that, but I didn't get the female dog reference either, I guess I'm not OG? lol Honestly, a lot of what I have read here is IMO just plain idiotic.
This forum as a whole doesn't fixate on banning anything, and never has, but education is always a good thing. Pre-ordering/special ordering various species is a good and reasonable option, no shop needs to stock these types of monster fish on a regular basis just to stay in business. A pre-order might stop a lot of kids from an impulse buy.
The internet and the ease of buying dry goods and also live fish has been the death of many LFS across NA, just as online sales have killed many other brick & mortar shops and malls. Just as FB, Youtube, etc has affected forums such as this. Those that adapt, prosper, those that don't fade away.
We must spend time on different folders on MFK, I don't see anyone getting attacked for trying. Do people occasionally get called out for being selfish, ignorant, or just plain wrong, sure, so what? That's part of the learning curve to keeping fish, and posting on a public forum. If a little criticism is all it takes to turn people away they probably never had what it took to begin with. We have all have made mistakes, we all come here to learn. Attack seems a little strong to me, I don't see members here being attacked on a regular basis, just for trying to "go big".
AU is anal about control because of the millions of morons that over the years that have introduced various species that could have, and some cases have, created a near disaster to that island. People have already proved, millions of times over, that they NEED Govt control, that they are too GREEDY, and IGNORANT, to use self restraint. Are you guys freaking kidding me? Every single day border agents confiscate and destroy numerous threats at the AU border. From food carrying insects, to seeds from weeds, to disease ridden birds, animals, and finfish. Numerous invasive species have been introduced to AU over the years, toads, rabbits, horses, camels, pigs, cats, deer, goats, bees, foxes, and all have had a major negative affect on the AU environment and economy. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Biosecurity cannot, and will not, be maintained by John & Jane citizen. That's an example of the real world, a large percentage of people are selfish idiots. Our native waterways in NA contain thousands of examples of why the Govt had to step up and attempt to control what is now allowed and what isn't. Thank the moron next to you .....
I have t-shirts older than that, but I didn't get the female dog reference either, I guess I'm not OG? lol Honestly, a lot of what I have read here is IMO just plain idiotic.
This forum as a whole doesn't fixate on banning anything, and never has, but education is always a good thing. Pre-ordering/special ordering various species is a good and reasonable option, no shop needs to stock these types of monster fish on a regular basis just to stay in business. A pre-order might stop a lot of kids from an impulse buy.
The internet and the ease of buying dry goods and also live fish has been the death of many LFS across NA, just as online sales have killed many other brick & mortar shops and malls. Just as FB, Youtube, etc has affected forums such as this. Those that adapt, prosper, those that don't fade away.
We must spend time on different folders on MFK, I don't see anyone getting attacked for trying. Do people occasionally get called out for being selfish, ignorant, or just plain wrong, sure, so what? That's part of the learning curve to keeping fish, and posting on a public forum. If a little criticism is all it takes to turn people away they probably never had what it took to begin with. We have all have made mistakes, we all come here to learn. Attack seems a little strong to me, I don't see members here being attacked on a regular basis, just for trying to "go big".
AU is anal about control because of the millions of morons that over the years that have introduced various species that could have, and some cases have, created a near disaster to that island. People have already proved, millions of times over, that they NEED Govt control, that they are too GREEDY, and IGNORANT, to use self restraint. Are you guys freaking kidding me? Every single day border agents confiscate and destroy numerous threats at the AU border. From food carrying insects, to seeds from weeds, to disease ridden birds, animals, and finfish. Numerous invasive species have been introduced to AU over the years, toads, rabbits, horses, camels, pigs, cats, deer, goats, bees, foxes, and all have had a major negative affect on the AU environment and economy. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Biosecurity cannot, and will not, be maintained by John & Jane citizen. That's an example of the real world, a large percentage of people are selfish idiots. Our native waterways in NA contain thousands of examples of why the Govt had to step up and attempt to control what is now allowed and what isn't. Thank the moron next to you .....
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Some wouldn't survive, but some species would, and have, and the problem lies in the fact that at juvenile sizes, it can be next to impossible to tell the difference between some of the snakehead species. Again, the selfish morons of the world caused this ban.
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misconception/fear/un education has led to our fish being blanketed into the same catagory as all the animals you listed... its ridiculous. they ran out of mammals to ban... whats next? when will next stop?
