Why are these being sold????
- Thread starter Mitchell The Monster
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I think if someone has asked for advice then ignored it then ask for help 2 weeks later they deserve a degree of harsh truth given to them. I don't like seeing someone new asking a question like "can I keep an Oscar in a 10G" when they genuinely don't know the answer get hammered, that's when I think ego trips kick in.
Also being the AU member refereed to, bans don't always work, people still smuggle things in, some fish are banned in some states not others, some fish are banned but still available due to a loophole where it can't be imported but still sold. It is a mess to be honest but we deal with it.
The whole issue comes down to economics, fish shops sell fish, the majority have good intentions regarding education and proper housing but if there is a $100 fish that's been sitting there a while and some inexperienced kid wants it I bet most would sell it to keep the cash rolling in. From what I understand it's hard work running an LFS so I do understand but done necessarily agree.
That makes sense. I think allot would have to do with the persons attitude as well.
I think ego kicks in allot on here.
Bans are dangerous. Theres always unintended consequences for everything. Ban something here, legalize some there. It hardly ever turns out how we anticipated. Kind of a butterfly effect
ReApEr666 was advocating against giving advice.
Reapers post :
"This is MFK... quit being female dogs... we are regulated enough as it is. GET OVER IT! Keeping arapima is no different than keeping a betta... a fish in a box is a fish in a box... u cant keep fish 1 way... and condone others for keeping them another way. its all the same. There will be no hobby left if everyone is butt hurt about keeping certain fish. Laws are bad enough already...zoos are getting shut down and there coming after the general public now for keeping certain fish. All you nay sayers are 100% the problem and root of it all. Grow up and get over it.... Most of the larger fish available in the trade are destined for peoples dinner tables. were doing them a favor by letting them live for any period of time. If you keep fish yourself... take a look in the mirror... your no different than anyone else. "
Go back and read all his posts, not just the first one. You'll see he certainly tries to walk both sides, saying on the one hand he's all for education, good advice etc., but if you read between the lines the main gist of his argument is telling us (rather condescendingly) not to scare away new people by telling them the facts (education) about larger, hard-to-care-for fish -- let them find out for themselves (and screw the fish) -- because we need new people in the hobby (lol, fish keeping is one of the biggest, fastest growing hobbies in the world), and if we don't have them (stupid, uneducated newbies), the hobby will disappear for the rest of us. This is simply a ludicrous train of thought. How this got to all other fish in the hobby, plus tigers, wolves etc. I have no idea.
I agree the tone has a lot to do with it, it is annoying to see someone ignore advice and then want to get bailed out and I understand why people would be irritated but genuine newcomers should be treated differently. And ego is an issue at times but that's the case everywhere, especially the Internet.
I don't like bans, here in australia more and more things get banned everyday we call it "the nanny state" it's generally because 1fool does something stupid and the govt decides the rest of us need to be protected.
As for our crazy fish laws, as @RD said we have lots of invasive species, not just fish causing problems and diseases affecting crops and farming so there is a reason for strict bio security but on the aquarium side it's just too inconsistent to make sense eg. Koi carp are illegal in my state but common goldfish aren't. I can drive 3 hours to another state and fill my car with koi and sell them for triple what I payed because they are now the forbidden fruit and everyone wants what they can't have,
Tbh though I'm confused also: why are we stuck on the banning thing? Seriously, where in this thread has anyone called for any ban of any fish?
I thought by saying "why are these being sold" it implied they shouldn't be and therefore should be banned. Just my interpretation and could be wrong.
Obviously if there is a minimum tank size required by law or something that wouldn't work as I could imagine the shop saying "you must have a 800G tank for these fish" the reply would be "uh....yes, I have 2 tanks that size". I think the govt would have better things to do than check if it were true and I wouldn't let the seedy casual employee from my LFS into my house to check either!
I guess we just interpret things differently. It doesnt make sense for us to argue over someone elses comments. I guess tag him and see if thats was he meant.
That qas my interpretation too. Either banning them or faulting the store was the excuse. I rhink the responsibility is on the buyer
