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If memory serve me correctly i recieved 1..... yes 1 infraction or pm because i used the word ass. Could have been other but i just cant remember.

Every other exchange was either a mod cracking a joke that they probably felt would have been inappropriate because of there position on mfk. Or me reaching out in advance and saying something like "hey my bad for the part i took in x thread"

S skjl47 i too am confused.
 
Hello; I have asked a few times that more than six be allowed in a PM conversation. My thinking being folks who wish to have a more free discussion can do so away from the open forum. I have been involved with five other members in such a PM or Conversation for many months now. Not saying another mix of people would get along as well but it would be off the open site and voluntary.
A person might get invited into a conversation without being asked but there is an option to leave such a conversation at any time.

I do not know what the problems, if any, with this idea might be. Could be some technical thing. Anyway perhaps something to consider.
 
I overstocked a 55 today.
Why . . . Why . . . Why?

Why did I volunteer to be next week's pariah?

;)

No, actually there's a good reason why.

They were living in less than half the water.
With 1/3 the filtration!
They're gonna live now, but it was getting close to TPONR.

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People with different perspectives who can't agree.

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I overstocked a 55 today.
Why . . . Why . . . Why?

Why did I volunteer to be next week's pariah?

;)

No, actually there's a good reason why.

They were living in less than half the water.
With 1/3 the filtration!
They're gonna live now, but it was getting close to TPONR.

Like this thread.

People with different perspectives who can't agree.

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Hello; While I get what you are driving at it seems there is very little chance all will ever be on the same page. Some will never agree with others whether it be fish care, politics or many other things. This, in my opinion, should not be the goal. Having been a teacher I had to deal with folks who did not get along and who did not like each other and I include parents along with the students.

Early in my career the task was pretty straight forward. If two students went at each other I picked up my paddle and used it to convince them not to fight for a while. This also worked on the parents somewhat. Not that I paddled a parent but they knew if their kid kept being a bully or some such he/she would get licks, so they tended to cooperate with me. It was in some ways a more simple and effective time. Another note is that I did not have to use corporal punishment very often. It was known that I would and was done to a point where the point was gotten across.

I made the class and the school rules clear and only punished the guilty. I had to be even handed as well in that I punished my more favored students the same as the ones I did not much care for when guilty. The large number of students never had to worry about it. They were never going to be paddled and were not going to have to worry about a bully for very long. Let me be clear for those who may be jumping to conclusions, I am not suggesting the Mods use corporal punishment. I seldom took away from an entire class things like recess until late in my career and tried to only deal with the guilty.

Toward the end of my career most every effective method of dealing directly with only the guilty had been taken away. If I took a class on a field trip and a few did dangerous or foolish things I had no effective way to deal with it. Example; I would take classes to a planetarium. On one trip the planetarium staff told me they had seen three students putting chewing gum on the carpet and grinding it in with their feet. I had not a way to deal with this other than to stop tripe to the planetarium. My take is the mods here have effective measures to take but are self-limited for some reason. Of course I may be wrong in thinking the mods are free to use the ban and other powers as they may be under orders from above and may be in a pinch as I was late in my teaching career. My sympathies if so.

Let me use the event of this very thread being closed recently as an example. For a number of hours every one stopped posting as I did. Then someone posted making questionable remarks and got a few replies. (For what it is worth I PM'ed Hendre Hendre to clear things up.) Had I been a Mod and felt these folks where not doing things right I would have stopped their access to the site for a short time, not shut it down for everyone.
I have seen school principles try to use the make everyone pay approach too many times. I have had to sit in faculty meetings while we all were being chewed out for the actions of one or a few.

Anyway Ulu I do see what you are saying. I am not sure we are at a point of no return. I am making plans in case my presence here is no longer welcome. So far this is the only online forum I make regular use of. However It is not yet clear to me if I am considered a trouble maker by all the Mods. I just am having a hard time getting a read on it. I know I am vocal and do find myself in the midst of testy threads sometimes. Good point tho.
 
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Thanks for the write up, there are more favourable methods than outright banning the lounge. As you mentioned, a paddle is much more effective manner than stopping trips.

Disagreements are a fact of life, but a debate is much more effective and positive forum item than a heated debate. If you don't like each other take it to PM's. Enforcing the rules and having quality discussion on the forum will do much better for everyone, it's time for MFK to clean up and shape up. Clearing the rules and not taking nonsense is where we should go, then there is no favouritism or resentment over hazy boundaries. There are many great fishkeepers here, let's share the love :)
 
Thanks for the write up, there are more favourable methods than outright banning the lounge. As you mentioned, a paddle is much more effective manner than stopping trips.

Disagreements are a fact of life, but a debate is much more effective and positive forum item than a heated debate. If you don't like each other take it to PM's. Enforcing the rules and having quality discussion on the forum will do much better for everyone, it's time for MFK to clean up and shape up. Clearing the rules and not taking nonsense is where we should go, then there is no favouritism or resentment over hazy boundaries. There are many great fishkeepers here, let's share the love :)
While I agree with what you have said, I see no end to it all.
If a guy writes into the forum saying he has an oscar in a 55 and I reply saying that's too small, choose a smaller species. I will get called an elitist and have people saying how do you know the fish won't be happy etc etc.
It's happened time and time again.
Despite mods warnings it's only a matter of time until the next time.
 
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My schooling years go back quite a ways too, and while I was never a teacher, my father was for a period of time, and to the best of my memory I don't recall ever reading about a locked thread on an online fish forum, as being considered a crime against humanity. lol

If this is all some folks have going for them in their lives I feel sorry for them. Get over it, it's a freaking thread on news, or fish, or whatever. It's not life & death the way some people go on. Good grief. Plenty of fish related threads have been locked over the years as well, I have never once PM'd a mod or anyone else complaining after the fact. Locked threads are a fact of life on forums. Big deal, start a new thread.

I find it funny how everyone jumped all over the comment I made regarding Hendre, I didn't point a finger at anyone directly, it was a generalized comment about the attitude. If y'all really believe what you said, ask yourselves this - if that was Rob that came in and posted exactly what Hendre did, would he have received the same treatment? Hmmmm.

And that's not me being bitter, or rude, or condescending. I call things as I see them, I might not be mr polite 100% of the time but I never said that I would be when I signed on. I don't suffer fools lightly, and I have seen more than my fair share of foolish crap over this past year. Personally I'm sick of it. And just for the record, I never called anyone an idiot, I said that their comment (about keeping an adult Oscar in a 55 gallon tank) was idiotic - and those comments, and care sheets that followed, were just that, idiotic. And the person behind those idiotic comments was dishonest, a liar, and is now banned. Another crime against humanity?


I'm all for moving forward, but as Stanzz just stated it might not be such an easy task when some folks seem to live to disagree about the most ridiculous things.

Good luck to us all.
 
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