Moving a true 5000gph thru that small sump is going to be interesting. That's moving 83.3 gallons per minute in a sump that's 120g total space. What kind of media will handle that flow rate? Beneficial bacteria will not be able to grow on any surface at that rate. And imagine the noise from all that moving water
Ordering New 440/480 any advice?
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I dont think it will be a problem at all. 83 gallons a minute is really not that substantial in the grand scheme of things. After all, any given spot in even a slow moving river or stream is displaced of many thousands of gallons every minute. As long as the drain outputs are under the waterline of the sump and the drains are not sucking air, i believe you could make it very quiet.
To be fair, you are right that a larger sump would be great though.
I may have missed the information in the earlier posts, and in IMO the type of overflow/weir could also be a limiting factor in return volume and turnover. A lot of focus goes into the return pump, return plumbing and drain pipes. If the overflow isn't able to keep up with the return, then I see most times the drain methods (BA, Herbie, etc.) needs to be restricted "significantly" to create a full siphon. This sometimes defeats the purpose of having larger return and drain plumbing. I'm not suggesting this is the case here, just something to keep in mind.
Looking forward to following this build.
Looking forward to following this build.
Every baffle in that small sump is going to restrict water movement. At 5000gph, i have a feeling its going to overflow the first chamber. The baffles will be the bottleneck and the water will have nowhere to go except up and over
he said it would be quiet, that’s not really too big of a concern as long as I can’t hear it upstairs while I’m sleeping.
going to meet him at his shop Friday to hammer out details.
good tips on the jebao pumps I’ll bring it up,
gonna be big tank...
Thanks for the Aquascape tips!
I’m glad this guy is building it and taking responsibility for the whole thing, he’s builds most of the tanks in the area....
holy cow $500 for one pump. you can get 2 jebao pumps and a wave maker for that price and have money left. up to you but i would not pay that much for a pump having two is better in case one fails. that is the size of mine sump to only mine is 18 tall. you should look a 80 gallon frag tanks that's what i used it was way cheaper. think i paid $80 used. it was for a 220 i was going to build or i would go bigger not that much room left when you take in to consecration how much room you need to leave for when the power goes out and it drains back a bit.
Hmmmm....bioballs are usually used in wet/dry trickle filters. In this situation, they are not submerged..The significance of this, is that the water volume in the filter is not much. I have a 30 gallon wet/dry filter, but the volume of water in it is about 10 gallons.
So exactly what kind of sump filtration is your builder designing? Will the sump have baffles? And if so, is the builder planning to submerge the bioballs? From what I've read, there are better submerged media than bioballs. You will be expending a lot of money so it behooves you to know what you are getting. Do a quick online search on bioball filtration . It will get you up to speed fast.
I'm not saying that bioballs can't be submerged, but there are better media available. I plan on submerging media that is usually not submerged, and I know I won't get maximum benefit. I'm OK with that since it will be redundant filtration. If your builder is planning a wet/dry filter, the water volume is going to be about 1/3 the volume of the tank.
Is the builder planning submersible return pumps? or non-submersible? People complain about the price of Reeflo pumps, but even a Reeflo Hammerhead/Barracuda Gold pump is just over $400. So what exactly will he be selling you? Get the name of the pump and see what you can buy it for. You will be able to quickly see if he is ripping you off or not. The pricing he is giving you sounds incredibly high.
Bone up on the different types of sump filtration so you can ask him questions and speak the same language. We knew nothing when we set up our 300 gallon tank. After the fact, I can say that I will NEVER buy another wet/dry filter again. The design is so incredibly simple, I would make one before I considered buying another one. Without the knowledge, you will be at your builders mercy.
Are there any people in your area who set up and maintain tanks for businesses? A quick look at some of their setups would be really educational for you. (The biggest help we got was from one of these professionals)
So exactly what kind of sump filtration is your builder designing? Will the sump have baffles? And if so, is the builder planning to submerge the bioballs? From what I've read, there are better submerged media than bioballs. You will be expending a lot of money so it behooves you to know what you are getting. Do a quick online search on bioball filtration . It will get you up to speed fast.
I'm not saying that bioballs can't be submerged, but there are better media available. I plan on submerging media that is usually not submerged, and I know I won't get maximum benefit. I'm OK with that since it will be redundant filtration. If your builder is planning a wet/dry filter, the water volume is going to be about 1/3 the volume of the tank.
Is the builder planning submersible return pumps? or non-submersible? People complain about the price of Reeflo pumps, but even a Reeflo Hammerhead/Barracuda Gold pump is just over $400. So what exactly will he be selling you? Get the name of the pump and see what you can buy it for. You will be able to quickly see if he is ripping you off or not. The pricing he is giving you sounds incredibly high.
Bone up on the different types of sump filtration so you can ask him questions and speak the same language. We knew nothing when we set up our 300 gallon tank. After the fact, I can say that I will NEVER buy another wet/dry filter again. The design is so incredibly simple, I would make one before I considered buying another one. Without the knowledge, you will be at your builders mercy.
Are there any people in your area who set up and maintain tanks for businesses? A quick look at some of their setups would be really educational for you. (The biggest help we got was from one of these professionals)
Thanks for the tip! I’m meeting him Friday, Tank is 600g - 200g sump? Sounds expensive ?...
It’s two pumps, he said they retail for $500 - $425 his cost,
I’ve only had pro clear wet/dry before....
I’ll get more info after I meet him at his shop,
I’ll take a look at the bioball filtration
thanks all!
It’s two pumps, he said they retail for $500 - $425 his cost,
I’ve only had pro clear wet/dry before....
I’ll get more info after I meet him at his shop,
I’ll take a look at the bioball filtration
thanks all!
why would you buy anything but the tank from him? you can get everything else cheaper if you buy it online anything he sells you he is adding money on to the price to pay him self. add if he is saying to use bio balls in a submerge sump i would not get anything from him besides the tank IMO. also i would ask him what his plans are so he does not change it because he things you know what you are talking about he might try taking his foot out of his mouth. there are just so many better bio medias out there some more some less but better for that type of sump. what are you going to bring up about the pumps just tell him you will get your own. as long as you know the drain size and tanks size you can get the pump your self. i just bought a brand new big tank and i did not buy anything but the tank and stand from them. i shopped around and got the cheapest prices for everything else. up to you b
