Hello; I have not tried this myself but had a fellow swear by it. So for what it is worth he claimed to use a car battery. Said he would drive two metal poles into the ground and attach a battery to them with jumper cables. The metal pipes maybe two feet apart I think. He said that would drive the worms up. Like I said, never tried it myself. That was over 50 years ago. Today I might try a battery charger or trickle charger in a small patch or a smaller battery and only touch the clamps briefly at first.
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Too late for UK I reckon. The cases will grow exponentially because of the lack of early measures....but that was the politics of the government because they care about economy more than the death of a bunch of old and sick people.....
A lot of the infected show no symptoms or very mild ones. The bottom line is, this virus is going to knock out the old and the sickly mostly......how convenient. At the same time it is pilot case for total control over the world's population...What are they preparing us for?
I'm in NY where everything is essentially closed except for grocery stores, pharmacies, etc. I'm considered essential personnel because I'm a LVT at a local veterinary hospital, so my life hasn't changed much.
We are not allowing any clients inside at my practice, everything is "curbside service". The clients call, we go out & get the animal in full PPE, then the Dr.'s call the clients from inside after the exam.
My best friend is a RN, and while she says that yes, the mortality rate for young people is very low - MANY young people are hospitalized dependent on O2 because of the damage caused to the lungs. I feel like it's being pushed that if "you're young & healthy you'll be fine" - and I think they should say - "if you're young & healthy, you'll SURVIVE". That doesn't mean you won't end up hospitalized with a huge medical bill.
We are not allowing any clients inside at my practice, everything is "curbside service". The clients call, we go out & get the animal in full PPE, then the Dr.'s call the clients from inside after the exam.
My best friend is a RN, and while she says that yes, the mortality rate for young people is very low - MANY young people are hospitalized dependent on O2 because of the damage caused to the lungs. I feel like it's being pushed that if "you're young & healthy you'll be fine" - and I think they should say - "if you're young & healthy, you'll SURVIVE". That doesn't mean you won't end up hospitalized with a huge medical bill.
Hello; It is March 25, 2020 frankly a date I did not much plan to be around for. To be more correct when I was a young fellow being old was a vague thing I understood some but did not much think about. But here I am at 72 at a point near the middle of the presidents suggested time of social distancing and staying at home. I have had some time to think about the pandemic.
Back when the closings, shutdowns, staying at home and social distancing first started I was doubtful it would work out well. Let me be more precise. I do think all those things could have worked had everyone done what was asked. Had all complied then those already infected would have run out the course of their illness in some manner. Those infected but having either no symptoms or mild symptoms would not be spreading the virus to others. Those infected and having stronger symptoms would have managed to tough it out at home like we often do with a cold or the flu if they could. Those with severe symptoms would be in the hospital. Some would not make it, some would
However, that did not happen. Way too many people did not social distance nor stay home nor practice any form of precautions. A couple of examples from this morning. It had been a while since I went to the grocery store so I decided to take advantage of the local Kroger’s first hour shopping for seniors at seven AM. I decided to wear some nitrile gloves and a used but decent dust mask. I have been keeping both those gloves and a few dust masks around for years for when I do some work around the house.
Things went fair until I got to the checkout. I had a sort of plan to avoid being close to others by using a Kroger gift card at the self-checkout lanes. I was doing OK until the lady working the area walked right up next to me only inches away to see if I needed help. I did not need help and told her I wanted to keep some distance. Her response was it is in the hands of God dismissing my concerns. No sense in my dwelling on that reason for her actions as the point is that it is just one reason why some folks are not following protocols. I am sure other people have different other reasons.
That woman may not be infected but there is no way for any of us to know for sure since we can walk around for maybe five days before symptoms show up and some of the infected apparently never exhibit symptoms at all.
I also went to the local Wal-Mart since it was early. The parking lot had few cars. I managed to avoid being close to anyone right up to checkout. I picked up some food and a couple of other things I needed, along with some epoxy. When I scanned the epoxy it made the light flash on the self-checkout register. The lady working there came over and was right beside me before I noticed. (You have to be over 18 to buy epoxy) So she was doing her job in the normal way which required that she enter a code. That she appeared to not even think about the distance is my second point. We did not talk about it so I am making a guess here. My guess being she did not give it any thought and was doing her job as normal. The irony is most times it can take a while for someone to make it over to a register but I was the only one there so she was Johnny on the spot.
Why do some folks not want to cooperate? I can only use some observations. In Knoxville TN there is a fish shop and a used book, movie and CD shop. I go to both. They are on Papermill Road near the interstate. When getting back onto the interstate there is a red light to negotiate with four choices. A right turn only lane. A lane for entering the access ramp to I 75/I 40 and two left hand lanes for continuing straight on the surface street. The lane for getting onto the interstate is often backed up and it can take a few red light-green light cycles to get thru. Over the years I have seen many times cars in the two left hand lanes running ahead and cutting into the interstate ramp lane, effectively jumping ahead of all of us following the rules.
Last time I was there I happened to be stopped first at the red light after a couple of cycles. A car rolls up in the empty lane to my left and I guessed what he was up to. Sure enough he wanted to cut in to my lane but I was matching his acceleration. I forced him to slow down and fall in behind me. Of course he passed me on the interstate.
Another example may be more common to most of us who use the interstates. Miles ahead a lane closure will be noted with signs. If everyone would move into the open lane, then all could go thru the area at maybe 35 to 45 MPH. But no, that never happens. Every time some run along in the lane that will be closed and try to merge right at the last bit. Of course that jams everything up, sometimes for miles. That it is a better practice for all to merge early is a no brainer, but I have been reduced to a crawl or even a standstill too many times. Even though the wisdom of following good virus protection practices ought to be clear to all, I suspect somehow a similar level of thinking to the traffic issues might apply.
Anyway I continue to have doubts about how effective the current virus protocols will be in terms of flattening the curve of infections.
Back when the closings, shutdowns, staying at home and social distancing first started I was doubtful it would work out well. Let me be more precise. I do think all those things could have worked had everyone done what was asked. Had all complied then those already infected would have run out the course of their illness in some manner. Those infected but having either no symptoms or mild symptoms would not be spreading the virus to others. Those infected and having stronger symptoms would have managed to tough it out at home like we often do with a cold or the flu if they could. Those with severe symptoms would be in the hospital. Some would not make it, some would
However, that did not happen. Way too many people did not social distance nor stay home nor practice any form of precautions. A couple of examples from this morning. It had been a while since I went to the grocery store so I decided to take advantage of the local Kroger’s first hour shopping for seniors at seven AM. I decided to wear some nitrile gloves and a used but decent dust mask. I have been keeping both those gloves and a few dust masks around for years for when I do some work around the house.
Things went fair until I got to the checkout. I had a sort of plan to avoid being close to others by using a Kroger gift card at the self-checkout lanes. I was doing OK until the lady working the area walked right up next to me only inches away to see if I needed help. I did not need help and told her I wanted to keep some distance. Her response was it is in the hands of God dismissing my concerns. No sense in my dwelling on that reason for her actions as the point is that it is just one reason why some folks are not following protocols. I am sure other people have different other reasons.
That woman may not be infected but there is no way for any of us to know for sure since we can walk around for maybe five days before symptoms show up and some of the infected apparently never exhibit symptoms at all.
I also went to the local Wal-Mart since it was early. The parking lot had few cars. I managed to avoid being close to anyone right up to checkout. I picked up some food and a couple of other things I needed, along with some epoxy. When I scanned the epoxy it made the light flash on the self-checkout register. The lady working there came over and was right beside me before I noticed. (You have to be over 18 to buy epoxy) So she was doing her job in the normal way which required that she enter a code. That she appeared to not even think about the distance is my second point. We did not talk about it so I am making a guess here. My guess being she did not give it any thought and was doing her job as normal. The irony is most times it can take a while for someone to make it over to a register but I was the only one there so she was Johnny on the spot.
Why do some folks not want to cooperate? I can only use some observations. In Knoxville TN there is a fish shop and a used book, movie and CD shop. I go to both. They are on Papermill Road near the interstate. When getting back onto the interstate there is a red light to negotiate with four choices. A right turn only lane. A lane for entering the access ramp to I 75/I 40 and two left hand lanes for continuing straight on the surface street. The lane for getting onto the interstate is often backed up and it can take a few red light-green light cycles to get thru. Over the years I have seen many times cars in the two left hand lanes running ahead and cutting into the interstate ramp lane, effectively jumping ahead of all of us following the rules.
Last time I was there I happened to be stopped first at the red light after a couple of cycles. A car rolls up in the empty lane to my left and I guessed what he was up to. Sure enough he wanted to cut in to my lane but I was matching his acceleration. I forced him to slow down and fall in behind me. Of course he passed me on the interstate.
Another example may be more common to most of us who use the interstates. Miles ahead a lane closure will be noted with signs. If everyone would move into the open lane, then all could go thru the area at maybe 35 to 45 MPH. But no, that never happens. Every time some run along in the lane that will be closed and try to merge right at the last bit. Of course that jams everything up, sometimes for miles. That it is a better practice for all to merge early is a no brainer, but I have been reduced to a crawl or even a standstill too many times. Even though the wisdom of following good virus protection practices ought to be clear to all, I suspect somehow a similar level of thinking to the traffic issues might apply.
Anyway I continue to have doubts about how effective the current virus protocols will be in terms of flattening the curve of infections.
We are clearly not doing very well. As I’m sure you’re aware, are cases have almost double in a the last 24hours!Too late for UK I reckon. The cases will grow exponentially because of the lack of early measures....but that was the politics of the government because they care about economy more than the death of a bunch of old and sick people.....
A lot of the infected show no symptoms or very mild ones. The bottom line is, this virus is going to knock out the old and the sickly mostly......how convenient. At the same time it is pilot case for total control over the world's population...What are they preparing us for?
I’m on a 3week lock down. I have enough money rolled away to last for a few months. But I’m hoping this will all be gone by then.
Although, I’m not hopeful. As the way people are acting, is like it’s a public holiday.
I am afraid you are correct. Even though there is a stay at home order in California, it appears to be business as usual everywhere. I am also in the high risk age group (you have me by one year). The politicians who are saying they are willing to die to save the economy speak only for themselves and definitely not for me.
The stupid people licking toilet seats and other things in the "coronavirus challenge" should not be hospitalized when they get sick like this fool
Influencer reportedly hospitalized with coronavirus after licking toilet
A California social media prankster claims he was hospitalized with the coronavirus — just days after posting a video of himself licking a toilet bowl for a nauseating online challenge. The TikTok …
nypost.com
Our vet has parking lot service also, but the techs have no PPE.
Hello; It is 3-29-2020. Much has happened. However mostly things remain the same. Businesses of many sorts are shut down by decree while others seem to be running as was the usual. I think the first fifteen-day period of social distancing ends tomorrow, but I think now at least some of the practices are to be extended until the end of April. At any rate I was planning to practice some of the suggested precautions such as keeping distance as much as I can, hand washing and not touching my face. My guess is many of us will continue to do the same. Of course it seems many will not. Last night my neighbor to one side had a small party. Not a big group near as I could tell but also not exactly isolation. I covered the non-compliance previously but it is still going on.
Some other things are still not resolved but I have some further conjecture. First thing is I become more convinced an antibody test will prove the more important thing other than an effective vaccine. My thinking being an answer we need is some near accurate counting of all who have been infected and have recovered. Why that is important for one thing will be to give us a truer ideal of the actual death rate. We have been told many folks get and have the virus showing little to no symptoms. They recover perhaps never knowing and do not meet the current protocols for a test. Their numbers are important because when they are figured in the death rate will be much more accurate than the imagined death rates we currently are seeing.
I do not know anything special but do suspect the actual death rate might just be much less than what was feared earlier. I get the impression the “experts” are beginning to, cautiously with much hedging, see thing that way. Some weeks ago the WHO (World Health Organization) was estimating as many as 1,100,000 deaths in the USA alone if drastic actions were taken and 2,200,000 if such actions were not taken. Well drastic measures are in place at state, federal and local levels and today I saw a revised estimate of maybe fewer deaths at around 100,000. Much less than one percent I believe.
March 31,2020 – Well one of the federal experts has put out a potential death rate of again over a 1,000,000. Back to my point which is until an antibody test becomes wide spread all these estimates are at best guesses. Maybe decent guesses, but still a guess even if from experts. Enough on that, time to move on to another benefit of an antibody test.
People who survive and recover from the virus either with or without symptoms should be immune to further reinfection for a while. Knowing who these folks are may have a few benefits. Among the benefits being they can go back to a normal lifestyle. They can go to work or to shop or to eat in at a restaurant or see a movie and so on. I saw this morning a guess that as many as 25% of those infected have been asymptomatic (without any symptoms at all). Those individuals are now included in the stay at home/shelter in place types of rules for no real need. They cannot get sick from the same strain of virus and cannot shed that virus strain to infect others. They can be out an about and be close to other people as was the normal before this outbreak. Note – I say immune for a while as it may be the virus might at some future point drift or mutate. This seems not the case quite yet as at least one of the TV experts has stated the infectious strains have not been showing signs of much drift of mutation. My own WAG being a thinking such mutations will come in many months to a year or so.
Another benefit of having the antibody tests is their blood serum plasma. Again my knowledge is dated and not specific to medical procedures. I think a survivor will have the antibodies active in large numbers in their blood for some time after recovering from the viral infection. I also seem to recall that while there are issues with giving whole blood to others because of blood types and RH factors, that the plasma portion of the blood can be much more universally given. I think the plasma is a mostly clear fluid that can be separated from the blood cells. Once the identity of these folks is known they might donate blood from which the plasma, which still holds antibodies, can be refined to be given to those who get sick. This has already been done is my understanding using blood plasma from those who got physically sick, were tested positive and have recovered. That recovered population is growing to be sure but some advantage might derive from the asymptomatic population’s additional numbers.
Another slightly potential benefit of the antibody test possibly could be identifying some trait or other such factor among those without symptoms which helped keep them from having noticeable symptoms. An unlikely thing. I refer again to the old movie THE ANDROMEDIA STRAIN where in that fiction the baby and the drunk did not get sick because of an acid condition of their blood. A slim possibility very likely.
Some other things are still not resolved but I have some further conjecture. First thing is I become more convinced an antibody test will prove the more important thing other than an effective vaccine. My thinking being an answer we need is some near accurate counting of all who have been infected and have recovered. Why that is important for one thing will be to give us a truer ideal of the actual death rate. We have been told many folks get and have the virus showing little to no symptoms. They recover perhaps never knowing and do not meet the current protocols for a test. Their numbers are important because when they are figured in the death rate will be much more accurate than the imagined death rates we currently are seeing.
I do not know anything special but do suspect the actual death rate might just be much less than what was feared earlier. I get the impression the “experts” are beginning to, cautiously with much hedging, see thing that way. Some weeks ago the WHO (World Health Organization) was estimating as many as 1,100,000 deaths in the USA alone if drastic actions were taken and 2,200,000 if such actions were not taken. Well drastic measures are in place at state, federal and local levels and today I saw a revised estimate of maybe fewer deaths at around 100,000. Much less than one percent I believe.
March 31,2020 – Well one of the federal experts has put out a potential death rate of again over a 1,000,000. Back to my point which is until an antibody test becomes wide spread all these estimates are at best guesses. Maybe decent guesses, but still a guess even if from experts. Enough on that, time to move on to another benefit of an antibody test.
People who survive and recover from the virus either with or without symptoms should be immune to further reinfection for a while. Knowing who these folks are may have a few benefits. Among the benefits being they can go back to a normal lifestyle. They can go to work or to shop or to eat in at a restaurant or see a movie and so on. I saw this morning a guess that as many as 25% of those infected have been asymptomatic (without any symptoms at all). Those individuals are now included in the stay at home/shelter in place types of rules for no real need. They cannot get sick from the same strain of virus and cannot shed that virus strain to infect others. They can be out an about and be close to other people as was the normal before this outbreak. Note – I say immune for a while as it may be the virus might at some future point drift or mutate. This seems not the case quite yet as at least one of the TV experts has stated the infectious strains have not been showing signs of much drift of mutation. My own WAG being a thinking such mutations will come in many months to a year or so.
Another benefit of having the antibody tests is their blood serum plasma. Again my knowledge is dated and not specific to medical procedures. I think a survivor will have the antibodies active in large numbers in their blood for some time after recovering from the viral infection. I also seem to recall that while there are issues with giving whole blood to others because of blood types and RH factors, that the plasma portion of the blood can be much more universally given. I think the plasma is a mostly clear fluid that can be separated from the blood cells. Once the identity of these folks is known they might donate blood from which the plasma, which still holds antibodies, can be refined to be given to those who get sick. This has already been done is my understanding using blood plasma from those who got physically sick, were tested positive and have recovered. That recovered population is growing to be sure but some advantage might derive from the asymptomatic population’s additional numbers.
Another slightly potential benefit of the antibody test possibly could be identifying some trait or other such factor among those without symptoms which helped keep them from having noticeable symptoms. An unlikely thing. I refer again to the old movie THE ANDROMEDIA STRAIN where in that fiction the baby and the drunk did not get sick because of an acid condition of their blood. A slim possibility very likely.
March 31,2020 – Masks are a big topic for debate right now. There are at least two questions. One being should regular folks wear them? The other being can we even get a decent mask if we want on? My answer is pretty much we should wear some sort of mask and I doubt we can get a medical quality mask any time soon.
I am lucky in a small way. A few years ago I bought a bag of N-95 dust masks. I have been using them when doing dusty work around the house. I have four unused left and one slightly use one left. Not medical grade. I think I will be wearing one any time I need to be in a store. I will also be reusing them.
My basic plan to reuse a mask depends on how to clean one. I figure while out and about that the outside surface has a chance to be contaminated. Even if I am sure it is not I will treat it that way. My first plan to disinfect a mask is to expose it to sunlight and heat. I left one on the dash of my car out in the sun the other day. I figure the UV of the sun rays will kill off the virus and also the heat inside a car in the sun. (By the way I have been exposing my incoming mail to the sun. I lay it out in my boat for a while.)
Not sure about other ways to clean a mask. I will not be using Lysol nor such sprays as I will have to breath the residues. Might try 95% isopropyl alcohol and let it dry. Probably will just wash in hot soppy water and rinse.
Should I be wearing a mask and is there a personal benefit? Seems pretty obvious a mask works else why do all the medical folks wear them. I get they are around actually infected people and have many times over more chances to become infected. I get that if I am in a store and someone sneezes in my face there is still the chance to get some virus in my eyes. So a mask is not a sure thing to prevent my being infected but I figure I get some protection. I am making an unsupported guess that most infections are by way of mouth. So I figure I cannot be 100% protected with only a mask but it is better than nothing.
If I get infected I can be shedding virus for many days before showing symptoms so my mask can keep me from spreading virus. I may be one who never shows symptoms. Truth being I am a bit more concerned about preventing my own infection, but also do not want to spread it if I get infected.
My guess is if there were plenty enough good masks around for all to have all they need then the rules might be different. Right now there are not enough for even all the frontline health care folks so I get why they “blew smoke up our nickers” about us ordinary folks not needing them. I do see why medical folks need them more than me and in an us or them scenario they should get them before I do.
For you folks who are ordinary like me and do not have a mask there are options. Make your own nose and mouth cover.
Last thing on this for now. I was wearing a mask and gloves last week to Kroger’s. On my way out to my car I took the mask off. I realized I had touched the inside of the mask while taking it off. I failed to remove the gloves I wore and touched the inside of the mask with a finger. I had been touching stuff in Kroger’s so the mask was compromised. It spent the rest of the day on my dash out in the sun. I will be more careful from now on.
I am lucky in a small way. A few years ago I bought a bag of N-95 dust masks. I have been using them when doing dusty work around the house. I have four unused left and one slightly use one left. Not medical grade. I think I will be wearing one any time I need to be in a store. I will also be reusing them.
My basic plan to reuse a mask depends on how to clean one. I figure while out and about that the outside surface has a chance to be contaminated. Even if I am sure it is not I will treat it that way. My first plan to disinfect a mask is to expose it to sunlight and heat. I left one on the dash of my car out in the sun the other day. I figure the UV of the sun rays will kill off the virus and also the heat inside a car in the sun. (By the way I have been exposing my incoming mail to the sun. I lay it out in my boat for a while.)
Not sure about other ways to clean a mask. I will not be using Lysol nor such sprays as I will have to breath the residues. Might try 95% isopropyl alcohol and let it dry. Probably will just wash in hot soppy water and rinse.
Should I be wearing a mask and is there a personal benefit? Seems pretty obvious a mask works else why do all the medical folks wear them. I get they are around actually infected people and have many times over more chances to become infected. I get that if I am in a store and someone sneezes in my face there is still the chance to get some virus in my eyes. So a mask is not a sure thing to prevent my being infected but I figure I get some protection. I am making an unsupported guess that most infections are by way of mouth. So I figure I cannot be 100% protected with only a mask but it is better than nothing.
If I get infected I can be shedding virus for many days before showing symptoms so my mask can keep me from spreading virus. I may be one who never shows symptoms. Truth being I am a bit more concerned about preventing my own infection, but also do not want to spread it if I get infected.
My guess is if there were plenty enough good masks around for all to have all they need then the rules might be different. Right now there are not enough for even all the frontline health care folks so I get why they “blew smoke up our nickers” about us ordinary folks not needing them. I do see why medical folks need them more than me and in an us or them scenario they should get them before I do.
For you folks who are ordinary like me and do not have a mask there are options. Make your own nose and mouth cover.
Last thing on this for now. I was wearing a mask and gloves last week to Kroger’s. On my way out to my car I took the mask off. I realized I had touched the inside of the mask while taking it off. I failed to remove the gloves I wore and touched the inside of the mask with a finger. I had been touching stuff in Kroger’s so the mask was compromised. It spent the rest of the day on my dash out in the sun. I will be more careful from now on.
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