How has the coronavirus affected your personal life?

[skjl47]

How does any of this relate to your decision to not wear a mask now? Of course it needs to be worn properly. Of course some types are better than others. Of course there are no perfect ones.

You don't want to wear a mask. I get it...I don't want to wear one either...nobody wants to wear one. You admit they have some beneficial effect...and yet won't wear one because it's not good enough? Where is the logic in this stance? IMHO the intelligent course is to equip oneself with the best mask that is practical based upon your circumstances and resources, and to wear it correctly.

If my grandchildren's class is invaded by a goblin, what I want...is for the teacher to be a martial arts expert armed with a .44magnum, a broadsword and a killer instinct. I know that won't happen, but if the best defense they have is a bucket of rocks...I want everyone in the class to have a bucket of rocks. I won't be satisfied or happy about it...but I will still take the rocks over some silly "but rocks aren't good enough" nonsense.

Complain? Yes, absolutely...but until something better comes along...grab those rocks!

Hello; Interesting way to twist my comments. The reason I no longer wear a mask is primarily because I got the shots. Secondarily because the virus has an aerosol component over and above the sneeze and cough droplets that were at first thought to be the main problem. Let me be more clear. Being aerosol means the virus is going to stay in the air far longer and drift around. It does not fall out of the air in six or ten feet as earlier thought. An infected person can be shedding virus in the breath twenty feet in front of me and I walk thru that breath. The virus will go thru most masks and can enter my eyes. I think of it like cigarette smoke. Someone can be smoking many feet away and from time to time the smoke will drift my way and I smell it. I figure the virus floats around much like the smoke.

Many masks can stop or trap the droplets, but the aerosol virus can pass thru pretty much any mask to some extent. A report posted on this thread a while back showed the best to expect was around 80% effective if you started with a decent mask and put panty hose over it.

The circumstances will determine if I wear a mask. Some will depend on the quality of the mask I can get. Some will depend on where I plan to go. I will not wear one when outside. I probably will not wear one going into stores such as Wal-Mart. If I had reason to go into a hospital I might put one on.

I have seen people in a car by them selves with the windows rolled up and wearing a mask. That is their business. Fine with me. I plan to go about my business and hope to be left alone.

But yeah, if someone is coming at me with a weapon to do me harm I will throw a rock at them if a rock is all I have. Thing is I do not expect to accomplish much with the rock.

 

[jjohnwm]

There was no intention on my part to "twist" your comments, and I don't feel that was the result. This most recent post of yours IMHO reinforces my interpretation of them.

But I won't argue the point; will simply leave others to judge for themselves.

 

[RD.]

The following is pre-covid, so has nothing to do with the recent events, but pardon the pun, definitely sheds some light on the fact that even surgical masks, catch at least some fine aerosols shed from another well known virus, influenza.

Influenza Virus Aerosols in Human Exhaled Breath: Particle Size, Culturability, and Effect of Surgical Masks (plos.org)


" These results suggest an important role for aerosols in transmission of influenza virus and that surgical facemasks worn by infected persons are potentially an effective means of limiting the spread of influenza. "

Let me be more clear. Being aerosol means the virus is going to stay in the air far longer and drift around. It does not fall out of the air in six or ten feet as earlier thought. An infected person can be shedding virus in the breath twenty feet in front of me and I walk thru that breath. The virus will go thru most masks and can enter my eyes. I think of it like cigarette smoke. Someone can be smoking many feet away and from time to time the smoke will drift my way and I smell it. I figure the virus floats around much like the smoke.

The logic is that a good quality mask, even a simple surgical mask can protect you from at least some aerosol particles that otherwise would have been shed, from the breath of someone twenty feet in front of you.


Allow me to explain this again, for the what 4th or 5th time now. Health care staff not wearing masks in health care building where I work - every single year, every single building has an influenza outbreak. Every single year. Along with several thousand lab confirmed cases among the average citizen here in my Province. Now for the first time in over a decade, not a single care building where I work with a seasonal influenza outbreak. Several buildings, and several hundred staff & residents. First time in a decade this has occurred. Coinkydink? I think not. To add to that, not a single lab confirmed case of influenza in my province this past year. Hmmmm, I wonder how that happened?

Masks work, period. And every single person working in health care, who actually wear a mask every day at work, understand that.

It's not about what might still be lingering in the air of the unmasked breath, and infect you, it's about how much you might be stopping from putting out in the air that others might become exposed to. You know, like small children walking behind you.

But again, it's supposed to be about helping others, to an unselfish person this is crystal clear.

 

[pacu mom]

I like this - kill two birds with one stone --

Moderna working on combination COVID-19 vaccine booster and flu shot

Moderna Inc said on Thursday it is developing a single vaccine that combines a booster dose against COVID-19 with its experimental flu shot.

www.reuters.com

 

[skjl47]

Now for the first time in over a decade, not a single care building where I work with a seasonal influenza outbreak. Several buildings, and several hundred staff & residents. First time in a decade this has occurred.

Hello; Here is the thing about flu virus as I understand it. My understanding is the flu virus does not have an aerosol component. That the flu is carried on the larger cough or sneeze droplets that do fall out of the air in about ten feet. That the flu virus is on the droplets so it can be captured with a mask very much better than a virus which is aerosol. So that the masks appear to have worked for the flu virus is one thing.
Back when the covid virus was first going around I posted on this forum something I figured to be very likely. Maybe not in this particular thread as there was another which was closed. Any way after some thought I figured the covid was aerosol. Best I can recall I got some push back on that at the time. My speculation turned out to be correct and that changed my view about the virus. Changed my view about masks also. I refer to my "box of rocks" posts earlier.

But again, it's supposed to be about helping others, to an unselfish person this is crystal clear

Hello; I find this tack to be of interest. I made some posts recently about how I supported giving many a first shot before any got a second shot. About how the naturally immune did not need to use up the limited, at the time, supply of shots as they had some immunity so more first shots could be given. Best I can recall in the middle of the first wave of the outbreak when the shots first came out getting as many vaccinated as possible seemed a good idea. Now many are planning to get a third shot before some get a chance for a first. Not in my country to be sure. There are plenty of shots to go around for all here it seems so those who do not want a jab are being vilified. Yet there are many in the world who would take a jab real quick if available.
Yet it is implied that I am a selfish person now because after having two jabs I no longer wear a mask. Interesting to say the least.

 

[celebrist]

That is their business. Fine with me. I plan to go about my business and hope to be left alone.

Good luck with that now days

Also I find it interesting that many posters were eager to vilify the peer reviewed study I linked but did not even acknowledge the foia information about fauci. Perhaps it was mean of me to put those pieces of information together and observe the reactions, please forgive me

 

[Michael Alebrtus]

Covid Origins?

 

[altums85]

Good luck with that now days

Also I find it interesting that many posters were eager to vilify the peer reviewed study I linked but did not even acknowledge the foia information about fauci. Perhaps it was mean of me to put those pieces of information together and observe the reactions, please forgive me

What is your opinion on fauci? U can message me if u don't like to talk about it here.

 

[celebrist]

It appears that the evidence is beginning to speak for itself. I encourage everyone to do their own research and draw their own conclusions. We have far to many echo chambers that reinforce confirmation bias on both sides of every issue for my preference

 

[jjohnwm]

Hello; I find this tack to be of interest. I made some posts recently about how I supported giving many a first shot before any got a second shot. About how the naturally immune did not need to use up the limited, at the time, supply of shots as they had some immunity so more first shots could be given. Best I can recall in the middle of the first wave of the outbreak when the shots first came out getting as many vaccinated as possible seemed a good idea. Now many are planning to get a third shot before some get a chance for a first. Not in my country to be sure. There are plenty of shots to go around for all here it seems so those who do not want a jab are being vilified. Yet there are many in the world who would take a jab real quick if available.
Yet it is implied that I am a selfish person now because after having two jabs I no longer wear a mask. Interesting to say the least.

The 3rd shot you spurn in such noble fashion is in the clinic in your neighbourhood. It will not be magically transported to some third world backwater village to end up in the arm of a poor subsistence farmer with no other prospects if you refuse it. Hopefully it will be injected into the arm of one of your neighbors with a more realistic world-view; failing that it will likely be wasted.

The first vaccination clinic at my northern work camp came about after the local health department ordered vaccines in a quantity they felt was appropriate to service the local resident population, which is largely native. The demand among the locals...who were living in a known hotspot for Covid infection, with a typically rudimentary small hospital...turned out to be virtually non-existent, making a large number of perishable injections available on short notice to the work force. I don't recall any discussion regarding the option of sending them to another part of the world.

But you have your two injections. You have repeatedly detailed your understanding of the mechanics of viral transmission. It seems incomprehensible that you are unaware of the possibility of vaccinated persons bearing and spreading virus particles, despite being fairly safe from suffering severe symptoms themselves. Yet you generally don't wear a mask. You seem to be concerned and even surprised...finding it "interesting"... that this makes you appear selfish to many people.

To quote your earlier post: let me be more clear. Your concerns are justified. You do appear selfish.