125 gallon salvini tank mates

[Frank Castle]

Not a mod, nor have I ever been so, on any forum. Not sure what that has to do with salvini anyways.
That you're getting personal and taking offense to my opinion.... that is your choice.
It's supposed to be a discussion about fish.

no, you were assuming and making claims you couldn't back up. Next time ask the appropriate questions to get the proper answers you're looking for. Re-read your post and maybe you'll notice.

 

[Fishguy679]

I want to see pics of this tank, if what your saying is true that's got to be a first. It's not even the amount of fish it's the amount of aggressive fish(the flowerhorns) and a pair of jags. Maybe there were so many fish in a tank that size that the aggression was spread really thin, but that's ussuly how people keep African cichlids not new worlds.

 

[Fishguy679]

And how did you have 6 jack Dempseys and no pairs?

 

[Stanzzzz7]

No doubt, there is a 1000 variables. Each fish is an individual and every circumstance/situation is at least a little bit different.
But I have read a lot on forums for the last 10 years. Many people have tried salvini, and often as your suggesting. I have yet to find one thread that shows long term success with this set up.
From my own perspective, I am not real keen on just a pair of CA cichlids in a tank with out other cichlid tank mates.....but I don't rule it out as an option in a tank that incorporates a good divider. My own experience with many CA pairs that have gotten along fine in a community tank....... sometimes about 20 minutes by themselves in a tank is about all the time I need to Know there is no way there going to get along in that situation!
I don't buy the notion of ''well bonded pair". Some individuals will get along much better then others, but things can change on a dime, and a large male is capable of killing in a matter of minutes to hours. In nature there is a breeding season. Once fry are let go, they go there separate ways. It's an adaptation to captivity. Stuck in one place and abundance of calories keeping the female ready to lay frequently. But it is often the threat of other cichlids that keeps the pair together claiming a territory between spawns. Or at least the distaraction and diversion of other tank mates keeping the male form focusing too much on the female.

Just curious how many times and for how many years?

If they can swallow giant danios, they can just as easily swallow BA tetras. I'm not saying that happens every time, only that there is a definite risk. Of course the sals have to be large enough and it's certainly riskier when they are still rapidly growing. Older sals , IME, are often too lazy though there is still risk.
Seen a few threads where the aquarist went through a lot of dithers (all kinds including BA's and GD's), as young breeding sals would kill them fairly quickly after fry became free swimming.

I must be a liar making it all up then as you don't think the things I say work or are true.
I have also been in the hobby a long time but I am obviously not as wise as you are.
I don't particularly agree with Frank's Fish keeping ways but I do know where he is coming from in his little rant towards you.
You are very patronising and seem to think you are some kind of fish God.
I have seen your old 90 gallon salvini tank with giant danios and mbuna.That is also a way of keeping fish I'm not keen on, mixing different continents of cichlids together just looks wrong to me.Still each to their own. I won't judge or question you like some high almighty fish God.
I don't like being rude or confrontational but I find you love to jump on people and try your hardest to prove them wrong.
Maybe your not as special as you think you are.
Or maybe you are,either way I couldn't care less.
Like I have said before,Frank and i are at polar opposites when it comes to keeping fish but there is no need to get all high and mighty about it.Yes have an opinion but don't demand proof of what people are saying and insinuate they may be lying.
It's just not very nice and does not add to the forum.
Frank is a good entertaining forum member even if he does keep fish in a manner I wouldn't.
I can give him my point of view but I hope I am never condescending because that's how you come across and it's not cool.

 

[BC in SK]

I must be a liar making it all up

Never said anything of the sort.
It is a simple question, how many times and for how long.
Not doubting it's been done many times.......though i question it's likelyhood and frequency of success over longer periods of time.

I have seen your old 90 gallon salvini tank with giant danios and mbuna.

Never kept GD with salvini in anything but a 180 gal. that mix is something I won't be repeating.
Have kept sals with mbuna in 75, 90, 100, 125 and 180 gal. over the last 15+ years. The 90 gal was purchased in 2009, so it is not old. Young Sals with young mbuna was 2014 to 2015 (no pics but video that was never posted on any forum).

 

[jaws7777]

No doubt, there is a 1000 variables. Each fish is an individual and every circumstance/situation is at least a little bit different.
But I have read a lot on forums for the last 10 years. Many people have tried salvini, and often as your suggesting. I have yet to find one thread that shows long term success with this set up.
From my own perspective, I am not real keen on just a pair of CA cichlids in a tank with out other cichlid tank mates.....but I don't rule it out as an option in a tank that incorporates a good divider. My own experience with many CA pairs that have gotten along fine in a community tank....... sometimes about 20 minutes by themselves in a tank is about all the time I need to Know there is no way there going to get along in that situation!
I don't buy the notion of ''well bonded pair". Some individuals will get along much better then others, but things can change on a dime, and a large male is capable of killing in a matter of minutes to hours. In nature there is a breeding season. Once fry are let go, they go there separate ways. It's an adaptation to captivity. Stuck in one place and abundance of calories keeping the female ready to lay frequently. But it is often the threat of other cichlids that keeps the pair together claiming a territory between spawns. Or at least the distaraction and diversion of other tank mates keeping the male form focusing too much on the female.

Just curious how many times and for how many years?

If they can swallow giant danios, they can just as easily swallow BA tetras. I'm not saying that happens every time, only that there is a definite risk. Of course the sals have to be large enough and it's certainly riskier when they are still rapidly growing. Older sals , IME, are often too lazy though there is still risk.
Seen a few threads where the aquarist went through a lot of dithers (all kinds including BA's and GD's), as young breeding sals would kill them fairly quickly after fry became free swimming.

I want to see pics of this tank, if what your saying is true that's got to be a first. It's not even the amount of fish it's the amount of aggressive fish(the flowerhorns) and a pair of jags. Maybe there were so many fish in a tank that size that the aggression was spread really thin, but that's ussuly how people keep African cichlids not new worlds.

So we're gonna call members liars. Allot of these threads end up exactly as this one did.... the holier than thou comments start and the thread gets tossed in the trash it and it turns into a pissing match.

What works for one may not work for all and vice versa.....smh

 

[Frank Castle]

lol now i'm being challenged by a 16 year old kid hahahahahaha this just gets better and better. I kinda want to explain that it was a harem that went from 1; 4 to 1; 6 JDs over the years as I kept getting females given to me by friends, and the FHs were all females and siblings from the clutch I bred, but on 2nd thought, I don't feel like explaining anything at this point. Some of the people here can barely read posts and understand the basic language skills, so i'm not wasting anymore time.

On a lighter note, thanks for the comments, Stanzzzz7 dan518 J jaws7777

 

[jaws7777]

lol now i'm being challenged by a 16 year old kid hahahahahaha this just gets better and better. I kinda want to explain that it was a harem that went from 1; 4 to 1; 6 JDs over the years as I kept getting females given to me by friends, and the FHs were all females and siblings from the clutch I bred, but on 2nd thought, I don't feel like explaining anything at this point. Some of the people here can barely read posts and understand the basic language skills, so i'm not wasting anymore time.

On a lighter note, thanks for the comments, Stanzzzz7 dan518 J jaws7777

No need for thx frank. We all have different methods to what we do. This thread is par for the course in this section of the site....everyone always has an opinion

 

[Stanzzzz7]

Opinions are good.We can learn from them or ignore them.
The forum would be rather boring without opinions.
Being treated like a liar,that's something else entirely.

 

[Frank Castle]

Opinions are good.We can learn from them or ignore them.
The forum would be rather boring without opinions.
Being treated like a liar,that's something else entirely.

I agree, however I do notice there seems to be a difference between "opinions" and "extremely bad advice" LOL I guess the definition is subjective, but you get what i'm saying, right?