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Please define "sludge parasite".
I have yet to encounter any message of any bacteria or virus that can survive proper cooking, Even prions are denature at fairly low temps, though some toxins, especially metals do pass through the cooking process, as to pollutants and contaminants in the tank, where do they come from?
I read the reports on waters like San Francisco Bay, Puget Sound, And the Willamette river and see mercury, lead, pcbs, ddt, arsenic, organophosphates and hundreds if not thousands of synthetic waste products, E. coli, cholera, phiesteria piscidi, and other, even partially metabolised estrogen, and I seriously doubt you will find them in most tanks.
You are far more likely to find dangerous diseases and contaminants in salmon, flounder, or even chicken than in a properly cared for fish tank.
 
wow, i'm not gonna go to deep here just the truth, the rivers, and oceans are filled with SOLVENTS, which exist as part, or from natural organic substances in our enviroment, first let me start with saying these are NOT found in our fish tanks, fish contain many living organisms, including one celled animals called pathogens, and molds that live in slime, and sludge bacterias, and viruses, and also many microscopic one celled animals found in this concentrated, unnatural enviroment (the aquarium) , they are countless, and way to many to mention here, in nature, the sun, rain, and various mineral salts, from algea, and seaweeds, and other elements keep things harmonized, and balanced, because of its contained envioment aquarium water contains highly concentrated toxic elements, with water born molds being quite predominant, argyria, lycogala, stemonitis, bacterias such as acetobacter, and clostridium, are known survivers of cooking, including the waste by products of these organisms, formaldehyde being one of many, bacteroides fragilis is a lethal bacteria that accompanies most worms, which thrive on the bacillus subtilis spores that are found in fish pellets, all of the resulting mycotoxins are passed on to the fish, studies have shown cooking can destroy most of the pathogens, only, if one is adding heaping amounts of vitamin c to their cooking..the two most toxic chemical agents found in aquarium water, are acetone, and carbon tetrachloride, there are more....these types of studies were done in Japan in the late seventies, i studied in Japan in the late 90s and was interested then with these studies... Remember this truth, that your aquarium filter, and all these above mentioned contaminents that are contained within it, are a representation or mirror of whats contained in your aquarium fish. and i' stand by this with all my belief... thank you, gentleman theirs much more, but.... i hope alls well, please have a healthy day. Patrick aka fishking...
 
yes one can encounter dangerous contaimenents in salmon, chicken, and flounder, but you will not encounter 1|100 the dangers, that you will in aquarium fish, my God read the medications, they clearly state, not for use on food fish, and those medications, thats another story, look i'm sorry if any egos were hurt here, but health, and getting people healthy is my buisness, currently i've seen over 3000 clients, many from all over the world, and i'm known for my success with (mysterious illnesses) ones that the doctors have given up on, i'm currently seen in several holistic magazines, in new york, and the tri-state area, and have served many actors, athletes, and celebrities, when it comes to me, and my eating of fish, i'll go with mother nature over science any day, i don't care how clean you think your tank is...i'll take my gamble on the ocean, or in the lakes. ps. farm raised organic fish can also be risky.
 
In lakes you have to worry about old car batteries being dumped, fishers pissin off their boats, etc. But not in a home Aquarium... ;)
 
I will still have to disagree,
although I do recognize that some organisms such as acetobactum are foung in high concentrations in some filters, as nitrogen fixing bacteria with a fondness for calcium they are important in the biofiltration process and help buffer hard water, I have yet to find a mention of the as a disease causitive organism.
Bacteroides fragilis is found at infective levels far more commonly in slow moving waters of rural rivers than in fish tanks, it's major source is faulty septic systems and farm waste, it is easily destroyed by cooking. As for often being associated with worms this is true, wild fish also eat worms and unless you eat the uncooked intestines of the exposed fish you are unlikely to get it from them. I am a proponent of proper storage of prepared fish foods and recommend frequently checking foe spoilage but cereals and ground whole grains are also good culture mediums for this organism. The most likely place you would get it from is you own fecal matter by not washing your hands.
Botulism (clostridium) is everywhere, the anerobic organism is killed at 160 F and the toxin destroyed at 180 f for 10 minutes, as I said earlier, properly cooked fresh food is a minimal risk. Stored and poorly preserved food is a greater hazard and the major culprits are canned veggies, sausage, chicken, and breads, although canned salmon and tuna are also sometimes guilty. In freshwater fish the organism is strongly associated with the fish being exposed to high levels of duck and goose feces, I do not allow ducks in my fish tank.
Acetone is a short term volitile that is rapidly broken down by filter bacteria and also outgasses from water quickly, surface movement readily rids the tank of this trace material. Very small ammounts are found in degrading animal fats. Fresh low fat content flesh contains negligible ammounts and you are far more likely ot encounter measurble ammounts in a turkey than in your oscar.
Carbon tetrachloride is a synthetic chemical that does not occur naturally, it outgasses from water quickly but does persist in air for at least 3 weeks. It does not build up in animal tissue nor is it a natural waste product, In the wild it is associated with industrial waste dumping areas such as Puget Sound's Arasco point where the dumped smelter slag is slowly releasing arsenic, carbon tet, lead, and copper into local waters at tumor causing levels.
I don't understand your linking of mycotoxin production to bacteria, they seem to be a seperate problem and one that is admittedly a greater danger in a tank than in the wild.

I agree that eating a fish that is diseased or has died of unknown causes in your tank is a foolish risk, what I do not agree with is that tank raised fish present a greater or more varied risk than do wild ones.
 
without mentioning the other 50 plus, molds, bacterias, toxins, and viruses,what about SOLVENTS ??? you know in my most humble opinion, all children are mystics, and my 6 year old son is a little wise man, i asked him today, i said Patrick would you rather eat the fish daddy brings back from his boat trips, or the fish daddy has in one of his tanks? and in his soft little voice he replied... "Yucky, daddy, you don't eat your pets" ..my God thats it for me, i'm done here.
 
God put a substance in our lakes that takes care of such toxins, its called Chlorophyll...the green pigment from various algaes like chlorella, and spirulina, this major SOLVENT helps to detoxify, our rivers, and lakes. now if you show me a huge out door aquarium tank, thats so green with this natural substance that you cant see the fish, whoa, i might taste the fish...but only if the filter is a STREAM that flows down from a mountain...
 
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without mentioning the other 50 plus, molds, bacterias, toxins, and viruses,what about SOLVENTS ??? you know in my most humble opinion, all children are mystics, and my 6 year old son is a little wise man, i asked him today, i said Patrick would you rather eat the fish daddy brings back from his boat trips, or the fish daddy has in one of his tanks? and in his soft little voice he replied... "Yucky, daddy, you don't eat your pets" ..my God thats it for me, i'm done here.
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Because your son said so was not your original argument, but ok.
 
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