330 gallon setup and sump build

[eddiegunks]

2) not enough room between the stand and bottom of the tank to run a gate valve and a ball valve plus unions on the siphon line going from the bulkheads.
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Wow. You run a lot of equipment on a drain. I run the pipe straight into my sock. I do not use a ball valve or union or anything else. On the pipe that runs direct I have a small hole on my intake to allow air to enter to slow my siphon rate down slightly.

On the other drain I run one fancy ball valve. That's all. This will allow me to tailor my drains the way I like it.

Basically I have one valve to adjust. And I have one air intake to adjust. Both were very simple I had them done in less than 10 minutes. I have not touched it since.

I never said you needed to run to Val's. I said it would be easy to tailor each drain if you had two valves. Clearly you do not need two. It appears none of us run to. Ha ha Ha.

 

[eddiegunks]

2) not enough room between the stand and bottom of the tank to run a gate valve and a ball valve plus unions on the siphon line going from the bulkheads.
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Wow. You run a lot of equipment on a drain. I run the pipe straight into my sock. I do not use a ball valve or union or anything else. On the pipe that runs direct I have a small hole on my intake to allow air to enter to slow my siphon rate down slightly.

On the other drain I run one fancy ball valve. That's all. This will allow me to tailor my drains the way I like it.

Basically I have one valve to adjust. And I have one air intake to adjust (i adjusted the air before i added the ball valve. I addedthe ball valve so i coild make micro adjustments and nothave to drill bigger/smaller air intake holes) . Both were very simple I had them done in less than 10 minutes. I have not touched it since.

I never said you needed to run two valves. I said it would be easy to tailor each drain if you had two valves and were running two drains (this way you could tailor it easily and not have to add air to slow the flow. I added air to slow the flow as i had no vavles to start with).

Clearly you do not need two. It appears none of us run two. Not even me! Ha ha Ha. I just run two drians direct.

 

[jaws7777]

Wow. You run a lot of equipment on a drain. I run the pipe straight into my sock. I do not use a ball valve or union or anything else. On the pipe that runs direct I have a small hole on my intake to allow air to enter to slow my siphon rate down slightly.

On the other drain I run one fancy ball valve. That's all. This will allow me to tailor my drains the way I like it.

Basically I have one valve to adjust. And I have one air intake to adjust. Both were very simple I had them done in less than 10 minutes. I have not touched it since.

I never said you needed to run to Val's. I said it would be easy to tailor each drain if you had two valves. Clearly you do not need two. It appears none of us run to. Ha ha Ha.

Thats the great thing about sumps...we set them up to suit our individual needs. No one design is better than the next.

Running straight intl the sock wouldnt be something i would prefer as i like ball valves and unions...never know when they will come in handy that being said it seems like your satisfied will your set up.

I dont see how adjusting two valves would be easier than 1 but thats ok too

 

[jaws7777]

Just some obsetvations/questions

jvc66

I still hold my belief you need two gate valves, One on each drain. Individual drains would be the way to go. You will get more flow and better turnover as well.......

And a quieter sytem.

I have two drains with one valve. I run one drain at near full siphon and the other i adjust with the valve. It is basically silent.

Unless op needs near 8k gph then this isnt the better option but is ANOTHER option.

Why do you think quieter ?

Near full siphon isnt full siphon...so more noise and less gph

J jaws7777


If so then you can only flow the max of a 1 inch pipe. (600 gph i think). And it would be much harder to adjust the flow so it is quiet AND get the maximum flow. If this is how you are doing it why run two drains at all, as it only flows the rate of one pipe. It would have been easier,cheaper, and less complicated to run one drain.


Thx

600gph is not the correct number.
Found from some google search. There are quite a few and for the most part all are slightly different as i would imaginge there are quite a few variables that would dictate the exact flow under full siphon conditions.

J jaws7777
ragin_cajun

I run one near full siphon no valve ( I have adjusted my air intake on this one to slow the flow slightly. So it is not running full. I did this to alleviate gulping. ). I run the other one to the sump with a valve. So I'm adjusting one valve.



No matter what I do in my tank when I start to pump it goes back exactly the way it was set originally. I can add fish, Driftwood , rocks, my arm, turn the pump on turn the pump off. I have not had to adjust anything after the initial day.

See this is where opinion comes into play vs facts as i could argue that adjusting 1 gate for both drains is easier than adjusting 1 gate for the 1 siphon line and adjusting the air intake on the "near" siphon line as well.

As far as not needing to adjust anything. That makes perfect sense as the one siphon line is fine tuned and the other line isnt... any fluctuations in the oeverflow level wouldnt be noticed as this drain is acting like the open chanel drain in a bean animal set up ubless such fluctuations surpass the amount kf flow it can . But this drain is not operating at the capacity of a full siphon so moving less water.

Also you didnt mention any dry or emergency drains. What happens if your 1 inch siphon becomes clogged ? The one drain thats operating at near full siphon most likely wont be able to handle the addition flow from the full siphon thats no longer operating.

Not trying to be rude just discussing

 

[eddiegunks]

I dont see how adjusting two valves would be easier than 1 but thats ok too

Ha ha ha. You sure are set on resisting the two valve idea.

No problem.

I do not even have two valves! I dont need two. One runs full (no adjustment even if i had two) the other i adjusted once, like you.

Now here is the REAL question......how long does it really take to adjust one.....or two valves? Really? I spent 5-7 min.....,,and that included drilling small holes in my return to tailor the air.....i kept increasing the hole Size until i had it where i wanted it. That actually took most of the time. I think i twisted the valve 3 times!

There are many ways to get things to work. Any method that gets the result needed is good. I was just offering another idea. I never suggested that other methods would not or do not work. I appologize if my ideas came of as a criticism of another options. That was not my intentions.

Thx for the insights.

Oh! Please direct me to a full siphon flow rate chart .....

 

[eddiegunks]

On the flow rate chart which pressure column do i ise for full siphon? Does it pull 40-100 psi?

 

[eddiegunks]

Near full siphon isnt full siphon...so more noise and less gph



See this is where opinion comes into play vs facts as i could argue that adjusting 1 gate for both drains is easier than adjusting 1 gate for the 1 siphon line and adjusting the air intake on the "near" siphon line as well.

Hhhhmmmm?

My system I mentioned above was my first time doing some with a reef ready tank. I had also posted several questions about asking for help to design it in a perfect way. I got slim to no help or answers.

As a result I made my first attempt. Being my first attempt I made a few errors. Gluing my standpipes together was error number one. Being lazy and not wanting to make new pipes was error number two. As a result what I did to compensate was I added air to the system. I added air to the system to slow the flow down because otherwise it gulped air and made a tremendous amount of noise.

Adjusting my air mixture fixed my gulping, but it still made some noise. Adding the valve helped me to alleviate the noise because it also allowed the water levels in my overflows to increase and that quieted my falling water noise as well.

I never said that my system was perfect. I know it wasn't perfect. I attempted to ask questions from the community to help me before I begin the project. I received zero feedback. So my system is flawed.

https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/new-tank-with-sump-is-noisy.688806/

And this was my attempt to try to figure out the flow rates. So I could size my pipes correctly. Again maybe it's me, no responses. But boy oh boy, I'm getting a full on argument about expressing some of my ideas. In this thread.

https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/help-me-with-flow-rates.689107/


But I can tell you one thing. I learned a lot. I was just conveying my experience the original poster to give him some other ideas to contemplate.

But let me say this about my system while it's not perfect it's not running at full siphon etc. etc. it is extremely quiet. There's almost no noise from inside the aquarium there is almost no noise from under the aquarium for the returning water to the sum, the noisiest part of my entire system is my Danner 1200 pump. I know I could get a DC pump that's quieter but I'm afraid of that pump because of some of the reviews. I do use one on one of my other systems that I have a back up pump installed on. But I'm not ready to have it as my only pump.

 

[jaws7777]

Yes senegal leucistic
I cant upload directly from my phone,i use the app,i cant change my photo profile too,it said eror,again and again.
I want share more picture of my fish collection but it difficult
What suppose i do?

Ha ha ha. You sure are set on resisting the two valve idea.

No problem.

I do not even have two valves! I dont need two. One runs full (no adjustment even if i had two) the other i adjusted once, like you.

Now here is the REAL question......how long does it really take to adjust one.....or two valves? Really? I spent 5-7 min.....,,and that included drilling small holes in my return to tailor the air.....i kept increasing the hole Size until i had it where i wanted it. That actually took most of the time. I think i twisted the valve 3 times!

There are many ways to get things to work. Any method that gets the result needed is good. I was just offering another idea. I never suggested that other methods would not or do not work. I appologize if my ideas came of as a criticism of another options. That was not my intentions.

Thx for the insights.

Oh! Please direct me to a full siphon flow rate chart .....

On the flow rate chart which pressure column do i ise for full siphon? Does it pull 40-100 psi?

Hhhhmmmm?

My system I mentioned above was my first time doing some with a reef ready tank. I had also posted several questions about asking for help to design it in a perfect way. I got slim to no help or answers.

As a result I made my first attempt. Being my first attempt I made a few errors. Gluing my standpipes together was error number one. Being lazy and not wanting to make new pipes was error number two. As a result what I did to compensate was I added air to the system. I added air to the system to slow the flow down because otherwise it gulped air and made a tremendous amount of noise.

Adjusting my air mixture fixed my gulping, but it still made some noise. Adding the valve helped me to alleviate the noise because it also allowed the water levels in my overflows to increase and that quieted my falling water noise as well.

I never said that my system was perfect. I know it wasn't perfect. I attempted to ask questions from the community to help me before I begin the project. I received zero feedback. So my system is flawed.

https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/new-tank-with-sump-is-noisy.688806/

And this was my attempt to try to figure out the flow rates. So I could size my pipes correctly. Again maybe it's me, no responses. But boy oh boy, I'm getting a full on argument about expressing some of my ideas. In this thread.

https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/help-me-with-flow-rates.689107/


But I can tell you one thing. I learned a lot. I was just conveying my experience the original poster to give him some other ideas to contemplate.

But let me say this about my system while it's not perfect it's not running at full siphon etc. etc. it is extremely quiet. There's almost no noise from inside the aquarium there is almost no noise from under the aquarium for the returning water to the sum, the noisiest part of my entire system is my Danner 1200 pump. I know I could get a DC pump that's quieter but I'm afraid of that pump because of some of the reviews. I do use one on one of my other systems that I have a back up pump installed on. But I'm not ready to have it as my only pump.

Im not resisting the two gates bud ive said it quite a few times that i think they would work just as well as the 1 gate. You have said quite a few times that they would work better and reduce issues lol.

Look at this point it is becoming a derail. Sorry that you didnt get any answers in that thread this section has some great members who are really helpful probably allot of them were on vacation or just busy with summer stuff.

Any system will work, bean animal, herbie 1/2 gates, durso ect ect. Im no expert by any stretch of the imagination but do know my system pretty well. I'll reply to your thread.

Enough of this going back and forth. jvc66 has fish in the tank...the fun part.

Pics bro !

 

[eddiegunks]

J jaws7777

The way that I see it, as you have a 50 page discourse with the original poster. The majority of this thread is a post between you and the original poster.

I simply added my idea. I was very careful not to step on your toes as you are a very popular member of this community and I am new. (And i am sure support will always sway your way)

Speaking about my experience and my thoughts is not necessarily a derail of the thread. All my post was speaking directly to your original posters difficulties he was having with his sump system and the drain.

I find it interesting that you are basically moderating this thread because you don't like what I have to say. I spoke to the original posters questions and comments about issues he was having a presented my ideas for it. I supported what I have to say with my experience even if it was different than yours that was fine.

 

[jaws7777]

J jaws7777

The way that I see it, as you have a 50 page discourse with the original poster. The majority of this thread is a post between you and the original poster.

I simply added my idea. I was very careful not to step on your toes as you are a very popular member of this community and I am new. (And i am sure support will always sway your way)

Speaking about my experience and my thoughts is not necessarily a derail of the thread. All my post was speaking directly to your original posters difficulties he was having with his sump system and the drain.

I find it interesting that you are basically moderating this thread because you don't like what I have to say. I spoke to the original posters questions and comments about issues he was having a presented my ideas for it. I supported what I have to say with my experience even if it was different than yours that was fine.

Hold on pal. I have no problems at all with you disagreeing with me and never claimed to be more experienced than you or anyone else on the thread. Im not sure if your reading anyones replies other than your own but jvc66 ALREADY RESOLVED THE ISSUE lol about 10 posts ago. How does anything you or debate help him at this point ?

I already agreed with some of what you said and disagreed with some as well. Im not sure how this conversation sheds any significant insight to the thread you claim to be sharing your experience to help op but have only been replying to me not even realizing the issue was resolved. I truly am sorry if i somehow hurt your ego by disagreeing with you but such is life.

I also tried to move the convo to your thread but your only replies are to this one....mhhhhh puzzling. Popularity has nothing to do with this pal dont know what your getting at. Wether your a member of mfk for 10 min or 10 yrs doesnt mean anyone points are less valid.

Again im not trying to moderate anything only trying to be respectful of another members build thread. Feel free tp reply to ypur thread to continue the convo

Jvc66 i apologize for contributing brother