770 Gallon Filtration

[jlnguyen74]

So if it works for the tank it was built for then what makes it poorly designed?

With such bio-load in that tank, two AC100 filters would work for the tank the same as that sump. That sump was poorly designed, because except the pond matrix, which was fortunately designed to be tossed in the sump and it will do the job, the rest were improperly used. He may as well just dumped those pond matrix into the tank as substrate, and got rid of that sump. Save him a lot of time and money

In regards to your suggestion to use XP3s...

The top of my tank is over 7' high...an XP3 would be useless because it would not be able to overcome that much head pressure. Even an FX5 would struggle if not be complely useless trying to overcome 7' of head.

So you don't know that you can reduce the head pressure by raising the XP3 with a high stool, or a couples of L brackets and a piece of plywood

Have you ever used Matala sheets?

The Matala sheets are NOT for mechanical filtration; they are for additional biological filtration. In pond applications, they can be used as mechanical filtration to capture larger debris, but my aquarium does not have large debris like leaves, twigs, etc. The matala sheets would not capture anything that the filter socks had not already captured, so to say that since the bio balls are not in the "cleanest water" because they are not located after the matala sheets is once again incorrect. Matala sheets are very porous; they would do a very poor job of polishing water, but they are a decent biological media. You again provide your opinion, when it's clear you don't know what you are talking about.

It's also clear that you don't know what you're talking about. Matala sheet was designed to be used for mechanical filtration (mainly) and biological filtration (secondary). It was design for pond, to capture those waste produce by koil I attached a link to show the proper use of matala so you can take a good look at how you improperly use it. Thanks goodness for the 20L of pond matrix, because they're the only thing that handle the bioload sump. The 40gal of bio-ball and all those matala sheets are just decoratiions

http://www.matalausa.com/subcat30.html

Hi I don't want to upset you at all just want to say, think you have some good and bad bits with your sump. I'm not a fan of the wire holding up your hoses or your socks. You can get nice holders for them that will match your sump and try to get them up as high as you can but still keep them easy to get out.

It's hard to educate you, Al D-az, when you're on a high horse. Just because that's Aquarium 3 first post, you already dismissed his opinion. He did stated there some good and bad bits with your sump, and he did point out the bad bit. Holder is not just for "look nice." It helps to secure the sock properly, and put the sock in use properly. With the way you tight your sock, the water will put a hole on the side of the sock soon. Also, as he stated, you can adjust the height of your socks, and remove them easily during maintainance.

And I have essentially the same setup on my 190g tank with a 40g sump. Water enters on one side via a filter sock, passer thru (or over) ceramic media with heater/pumps at the opposite end. I have just 1 heater laying on the floor of the tank. The water passes all above it, but my temp is always stable. The heater does it's job perfectly. Some act like hanging a heater on the back wall of your tank is any better

I have to agree with you on the ignorance of someone posted here, like how he failed to notice the different type of media used in the 2 sumps, or different type of heaters, or how the sock was installed... I also agreed with you that just because you don't understand how something doesn't make it wrong. What makes it wrong is you refuse to learn how something work, go attacking the one who tries to point out the flaw. What make us human better is that we don't just go sniff on each other behind, or flock together just because of having same feathers.

 

[aldiaz33]

Thanks Jose.

It's pretty clear this is backlash from the ethics thread. I'm seeing a lot of familiar posters here and I don't think it's a coincidence.

Why can't someone offer suggestions and critque someone else's sump on this thread? Why should it always be praise and "your sump is so awesome" type comments? No one learns anything that way. Even the best guys could improve their setups with suggestions. No one ever learns how to make their sump better if everyone just posts smiley faces and rainbows when a guy shows pics of his sump.

I don't think it's hate. It's helpful to get a different opinion so people can point out the good and the bad about a setup. Personally, I think the sump is OK, but if I made one like that and people told me I could improve it by doing X, I would listen to those suggestions instead of telling those people they don't know what they're talking about and don't know anything about sumps.

Mr. Hogan,
I am open to hearing suggestions. The only suggestion that has made any sense is to change the way I hang my socks and plumbing to make it "look better." I agree that I can make it look cleaner, but everything else has been total ignorance...read my last post and tell me where I'm wrong?

I have highlighted in red the reason I am not listening to some of these suggestions. If any of these guys had a valid point, they are free to explain to me why my conclusions are incorrect, but none of them have come back (at least not under the same screen name). All I keep hearing is, you need more bio...I think my previous post puts that stupid idea to rest.

I have also requested that people post up a pic of their sump to show me the correct way to set one up. Jose is the only person to do that and it works for him so who I am to say it's "wrong." If I recall correctly, he has a similar setup on his 405 and his Cichla looked pretty good to me.

Please share a pic of your sump.

 

[Aquarium 3]

As I said I think you have all the bio you need it's only when your fish get bigger or if you add more to your tank I don't run a sump on my tanks but only cos I can't fit one with my stand I have a bit of a DIY filter setup on my 10ft and will post pic of it soon and would be happy for any one to tell me what they think good or bad. I like the fish you keep and ppl would say I keep girly fish in my 10ft tank as well but we keep what we like not what others tell us to keep I keep discus and geo's and like you didn't over stock it


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[DIDYSIS]

Threads That turn out like this make people with cool stuff or new ideas never post it. Overall we all loose because what someone thinks as the standard for filtration never gets tested or improves upon. Sad. No wonder that machines will take over the world because of our ignorance. I'll still be your friend always and agree you have one kick ass tank that really works.

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[aldiaz33]

With such bio-load....idiotic commentary removed.

Johnny boy! The fish hoarder/fish killer.

Hmmm, you were also in the ethics thread. I'm seeing a pattern here.

I realize you got baited into joining that thread...I honestly felt bad for you. You had no business in an ethics thread because you have none. The way you keep fish is disgusting.

How many fish have you killed over the past 2 years? Why would I take any advice from you? Go back to your Death Row thread and "look at me everybody, I bought another fish that I can't keep." I have asked you several times what you planned to do with 3 Queensland Grouper and you have still not responded. Were you going to cram it into your "huge" 600G with all your other huge fish? Ironically, it's actually a good thing you killed them before they even hit 6" because they would have suffered in your care otherwise.

You post pictures of your new fish in buckets and containers and ignore the requests for a full tank shot because the fish look better in the little bucket than in your disgusting tanks.

Can I add all the pictures of the dead fish you've killed over the past 2 years to your Death Row thread? I'm not sure if that would be against the rules...you posted them up originally, so I don't see why it would be against any rules to remind people of all the fish you have killed.

You are right though, my filter sucks. So does my tank. You win.

 

[jlnguyen74]

Johnny boy! The fish hoarder/fish killer.

Hmmm, you were also in the ethics thread. I'm seeing a pattern here.

I realize you got baited into joining that thread...I honestly felt bad for you. You had no business in an ethics thread because you have none. The way you keep fish is disgusting.

How many fish have you killed over the past 2 years? Why would I take any advice from you? Go back to your Death Row thread and "look at me everybody, I bought another fish that I can't keep." I have asked you several times what you planned to do with 3 Queensland Grouper and you have still not responded. Were you going to cram it into your "huge" 600G with all your other huge fish? Ironically, it's actually a good thing you killed them before they even hit 6" because they would have suffered in your care otherwise.

You post pictures of your new fish in buckets and containers and ignore the requests for a full tank shot because the fish look better in the little bucket than in your disgusting tanks.

Can I add all the pictures of the dead fish you've killed over the past 2 years to your Death Row thread? I'm not sure if that would be against the rules...you posted them up originally, so I don't see why it would be against any rules to remind people of all the fish you have killed.

You are right though, my filter sucks. So does my tank. You win.

This is the reason why people believe that you can take a horse to water, but you can't make it drink; or you can't teach an old dog new trick

 

[aldiaz33]

This is the reason why people believe that you can take a horse to water, but you can't make it drink; or you can't teach an old dog new trick

The saying is "lead a horse to water"...

What type of filtration would you need for the following fully grown stock?

3 BumbleBee Grouper- AKA Queensland Grouper (Epinephelus lanceolatus)- Full grown at 6' and weighing 250lbs+
12 Goliath African Tiger Fish (Hydrocynus goliath)- Full grown at 4'
4 Pacu- (Colossoma macropomum) Full grown at 3'
Wels Catfish- (Silurus glanis) Full grown at 6'
Indo Pacific Tarpon- (Megalops cyprinoides) Full grown at 4'
3 Barramundi- (Lates calcarifer) Full grown at 3'
Etc, etc, etc.

I can go on for days listing fish you "attempt to keep."

My friend, there isn't a filtration system in the world that would keep those fish alive in your "gigantic" 600G tank(s).

But please, enlighten me how that would work?

It doesn't because all the fish I listed you have either killed, or will die a slow death in your undersized tanks.

It's a shame stupidity is not illegal.

 

[jlnguyen74]

The saying is "lead a horse to water"...

This horse is the worst of all horses, so I have to take it to the water... It doesn't follow lead...

 

[aldiaz33]

This horse is the worst of all horses, so I have to take it to the water... It doesn't follow lead...

lol- seriously? Enough with the horses...

You came here to educate people on filtration.

What type of filtration would be able to keep that stock alive in your 600G tanks? You have kept or are keeping all those fish, so you should know, right?

Please enlighten us.

What's that? They have all died before they were full grown? You don't say, that's a surprise!

 

[jcardona1]

With such bio-load in that tank, two AC100 filters would work for the tank the same as that sump. That sump was poorly designed, because except the pond matrix, which was fortunately designed to be tossed in the sump and it will do the job, the rest were improperly used. He may as well just dumped those pond matrix into the tank as substrate, and got rid of that sump. Save him a lot of time and money


So you don't know that you can reduce the head pressure by raising the XP3 with a high stool, or a couples of L brackets and a piece of plywood


It's also clear that you don't know what you're talking about. Matala sheet was designed to be used for mechanical filtration (mainly) and biological filtration (secondary). It was design for pond, to capture those waste produce by koil I attached a link to show the proper use of matala so you can take a good look at how you improperly use it. Thanks goodness for the 20L of pond matrix, because they're the only thing that handle the bioload sump. The 40gal of bio-ball and all those matala sheets are just decoratiions

http://www.matalausa.com/subcat30.html


It's hard to educate you, Al D-az, when you're on a high horse. Just because that's Aquarium 3 first post, you already dismissed his opinion. He did stated there some good and bad bits with your sump, and he did point out the bad bit. Holder is not just for "look nice." It helps to secure the sock properly, and put the sock in use properly. With the way you tight your sock, the water will put a hole on the side of the sock soon. Also, as he stated, you can adjust the height of your socks, and remove them easily during maintainance.


I have to agree with you on the ignorance of someone posted here, like how he failed to notice the different type of media used in the 2 sumps, or different type of heaters, or how the sock was installed... I also agreed with you that just because you don't understand how something doesn't make it wrong. What makes it wrong is you refuse to learn how something work, go attacking the one who tries to point out the flaw. What make us human better is that we don't just go sniff on each other behind, or flock together just because of having same feathers.

You giving advice on how to keep fish alive is like going to a whore for marriage counseling.

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