770 Gallon Filtration

[aldiaz33]

Another one from the ethics of fishkeeping thread...another one of John's groupie cheerleaders.

Back to filtration and heating...

The sump obviously have lots of room to optimize. It's a matter of sinking money into bio media and fill those things up...not too crazy about the bio balls...but better there than sitting in a bag.

Curious about your temp sensor placement. It works if the you can guarantee water flow, that is the flow is fast enough that the entrance temp correctly reflect the tank temp. Suppose say you got called away for two weeks and the flow slows down in the meantime. Then potentially your sensor placement is too close to the heating element that it no longer reflect the temperature of the tank...why take the risk? just put the temp sensor in the tank itself.


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I don't think I could ever be a grade school teacher...I am pretty patient, but man, this is getting old...

You still don't get it?...are you dense? I'm hoping you are a child because at least you'd have an excuse for not understanding such a basic premise; I have enough bio. My water parameters are 0 Ammonia, 0 Nitrite and 10 Nitrates. How would adding another pebble of Pond Matrix make any difference. It won't.

In regards to the sensor placement, you mentinon that if "flow slows" down "potentially" it is too close to the heating element....That is EXACTLY why I put it there....we have a winner!

If my pump locks up I want the sensor to tell my heaters to shut down. If the sensor is in the display as you suggest, and my pump fails, the controller will basically boil my sump. As I mentioned before, I know a Reef guy who had precisely this issue. But feel free to continue placing your sensor where you please...I honestly don't care what you do with it. Oh yeah, I forgot, you don't even own a controller...you have no experience with them...but I should take your advice?

Are you starting to see how ridiculous you look?

As was mentioned, do you have any idea how long it takes my tank to cool down? Even with 20F temp differences between ambient air and water, the temps only drop one or two tenths of a degree overnight.

But yes, if I am gone for 5 weeks like you recently were, I won't have 50 gallons of water on my floor because I would know I would lose some water to evaporation and know that pointing my returns at an angle towards the waters surface would result in shooting 50 gallons of water onto my floor. Well done buddy. Well done.

I have a new one: John giving people advice on how to keep fish alive is like Ecoli giving people advice on how to prep their filtration for a long vacation.

I distribute my heaters rather than having a pile of them in one place. I also place fairly strong current over them. I would love to have an external sensor, but if I did, I would not put it next to my heaters

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You distribute your heaters? What difference does that make when your heaters are located in a sump. You act as if the heat that they produce is going somewhere other than the water. It's all going into the water, which is being circulated 24/7. But if spacing them out 6 inches on center makes you feel better, you go ahead and do that.

The 2,100GPH I have running through my sump is not a strong current? What GPH are you running over your heaters?

Please post a picture of your filtration setup, so that I can see what I should aim for. Please also post a picture of the water damage that 50 gallons on your floor caused.

Well, proof would be in the pudding. Has this setup been through a winter yet? In an unheated room, for me the same eheim(I have only 2 300 watts at each end of my tank with water flow over them drops about 2 degrees for me( 80 to 78) even across the tank. My tank is 300 gallons. how does op setup perform? Prob with no problems but it is interesting to see a distribution of temperature from one end of the tank to the other.

Again, it is still better to place the sensor in tank where your target temperature is. I don't see why people are arguing about that.


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The tank has been through a winter...with room temps into the low 50s (you are from the area, so you should know in February we had some stretches of temps at and below freezing and I had no problems).

What is your deal dude?

When you don't know what you are talking about, it's typically best to ask questions as opposed to making ridiculous comments.

 

[aldiaz33]

Man! You brought tears to my eyes! I don't know how did you get from point A to point B, but seeing from how you get from your poorly designed filter to this point, you must be clueless, love the twist and turn. You were wondering why people with big setup didn't post on your thread? Look at the way you handle criticism. Look at what you did when someone showed you the flaw of your filter. I feel sorry for you. Your parents must did a number on you, to turn you to a person with such low self-esteem and full of rage. Or is it true that you can take a Cuban out of Cuba, but can't take Fidel Castro out of a Cuban? Learning is an ability, and not everyone was born with it. I'm not surprise to see this outcome. I've said enough on how you, and your setup look alike, look nice, but empty and poorly designed. There's no need to beat a dead horse. Enjoy being yourself, D-az!

The line between A and B is straight as an arrow. Anyone with two eyes can see that.

Please show post 106 to your family and take note of their reaction.

You have an addiction, like a drink to an alcoholic, like a smoke to a smoker...it's a different addiction, but you've got it bad. You are in denial.

How can you not see this after looking at all those dead fish pix (and those are just the tip of the iceberg, as you didn't post pictures of every death). You cannot care for the fish you have, yet you continue to buy more, day after day.

I honestly feel bad for you. I say this with all sincerity in the world. It's not your fault...get help bro.

 

[F1 VET]

Dude as ur fish grow so does ur bio load, he's just offering you some advice that he has experienced, Ecoli is just trying to help, don't go off saying someone needs help cuz they don't agree with you. Ur setup is awesome Ecoli is just trying to make awesome(er)

If you don't like his advice just ignore it... Simple.



Go S. Vettel #1 rb8

 

[ecoli73]

It is plain to see who is really a kid in this thread.

First of all, if I have a sump, which I don't, I would have put the heater in the sump, and place my temp sensor in the tank. When I talk about distribution of heat, I was answering someone else's question about having sensor and the heating element TOGETHER with out an separate sensor(which is my current setup), in which case I distribute the heat by placing heaters apart INSIDE the tank about 7 feet apart.

No one is ought to get you, and you appear to have one too many cups of coffee

 

[ecoli73]

-> I have a new one: John giving people advice on how to keep fish alive is like Ecoli giving people advice on how to prep their filtration for a long vacation.

All my fish survived with out any water change and my nitrate is still only about 40 ppm...That is with 60+ fish in 300 gallons(oops 250 gallons), and with in your view antiquated filtration. I think I can, with a straight face, tell people to do what I did, and just take out a spray bar on the 2262.

 

[aldiaz33]

Dude as ur fish grow so does ur bio load, he's just offering you some advice that he has experienced, Ecoli is just trying to help, don't go off saying someone needs help cuz they don't agree with you. Ur setup is awesome Ecoli is just trying to make awesome(er)

If you don't like his advice just ignore it... Simple.

Go S. Vettel #1 rb8

I can ignore it, or choose to point out the flaws in the suggestion....mainly that buying more bio would be a complete waste of money.

The bio I currently have is plenty sufficient for my stock, even when fully grown.

I apologize if I was offensive...but after hearing, "you need more bio" from quite a few people who don't know what they are talking about...I guess I lost my patience.

If you read the previous posts, you'll notice that the people who actually know filtration (even John agreed) that with the 20L Seachem Matrix (that's over 50lbs of media) alone is sufficient for the life of my stock.

If someone says something that is completly off base, I am going to correct it. If that somehow makes me a jerk, so be it.

 

[jcardona1]

I would have put the heater in the sump, and place my temp sensor in the tank.

Talk to the folks at Jehmco who sell Ranco temperature controllers and then we'll see how "genius" your idea really is. You have a flawed understanding of this.


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[DIDYSIS]

Well exactly you don't have a sump you don't know really how to do such a setup. Heaters go in the sump and you adjust those till you get the correct temp in your tank.

First of all, if I have a sump, which I don't, I would have put the heater in the sump, and place my temp sensor in the tank.

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[probassfisher010]

Man! You brought tears to my eyes! I don't know how did you get from point A to point B, but seeing from how you get from your poorly designed filter to this point

I've said enough on how you, and your setup look alike, look nice, but empty and poorly designed. There's no need to beat a dead horse. Enjoy being yourself, D-az!

The connection from A to B was quite fairly made, you said his filtration was poorly designed, so in retaliation he shows the countless fish you have killed, slaughtered, murdered. (pick your descriptive word).

By doing this, it shows that a filter doesn't have to be perfect to keep fish alive... Water changes and stock level is often more important, especially if you cram 50 large fish in a relatively small glass box, doesn't really matter if you have the most efficient sump, you will be killing your fish by other means, which you are particularly good at it.

I have many fish still alive from my first tank 10 years ago, you can't keep many fish a month.

And that second part, you actually have the audacity to call his tank poorly designed? (and " empty" which I will ignore coming from you). Compared to what John? I doubt your tank and style of keeping would ever be considered appealing to watch.

The only thing going for you is the sheer amount of rare, expensive, large growing fish that you can brag about, but you kill so many that I'm quite surprised you have not been exiled from a forum that encourages the exact opposite of your fish keeping style.


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