A ban on all rays, would anyone support it?
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Yeah, being the OP with this one... I realize that I posted a much to open-ended statement. I do not feel that rays should be banned, I was just surprised to hear from an importer that he felt that rays were next in line because of the high mortality rate in shipping and very soon after arrival (within days). I was wondering what peoples opinions were on that fact alone.
Yes, there are better shippers out there, of course there are... but, many wholesalers are going to use different shippers for different reasons, in general a wholesaler will use a shipper that has the largest variety, best price, best fill-rate, as well as best stock. If one is a specialized ray wholesaler they will find the shipper with the healthiest rays. The fact is that most wholesalers are not specialized ray dealers and are bringing in rays such as the "tea-cups" on a weekly basis (cost is about $2-3 a ray before landing it). These rays do not fair well in shipping and the subsequent days after arrival, IME (*disclaimer), from what I have observed over the last 10 years or so with my wholesalers. Other species fair better either because they are hardier or just treated better because of cost and/or desirability. Rays are very recognizable and well known to the general public, so it would not be difficult for a motivated individual to shed light on the needless deaths of so many rays and gain support for restrictions on importing them, this would of course affect all rays and not just the "tea-cups". The general retail/wholesale trade constituent in the US has the "tea-cup" as the example for ALL rays, it gives a skewed view. I wanted to know how this small sample of the entire ray keeping community felt about a ban based solely on mortality rates.
As far as the arguement goes that they are killed because they are a nuisance in their natural environment... that is singlemined, basically saying, "if they are gonna kill it, we should be able to exploit it!" without any consideration for the animal in question. Do we import with the intent to kill it, NO, but we do import knowing the risk involved for the importee.
Yes, there are better shippers out there, of course there are... but, many wholesalers are going to use different shippers for different reasons, in general a wholesaler will use a shipper that has the largest variety, best price, best fill-rate, as well as best stock. If one is a specialized ray wholesaler they will find the shipper with the healthiest rays. The fact is that most wholesalers are not specialized ray dealers and are bringing in rays such as the "tea-cups" on a weekly basis (cost is about $2-3 a ray before landing it). These rays do not fair well in shipping and the subsequent days after arrival, IME (*disclaimer), from what I have observed over the last 10 years or so with my wholesalers. Other species fair better either because they are hardier or just treated better because of cost and/or desirability. Rays are very recognizable and well known to the general public, so it would not be difficult for a motivated individual to shed light on the needless deaths of so many rays and gain support for restrictions on importing them, this would of course affect all rays and not just the "tea-cups". The general retail/wholesale trade constituent in the US has the "tea-cup" as the example for ALL rays, it gives a skewed view. I wanted to know how this small sample of the entire ray keeping community felt about a ban based solely on mortality rates.
As far as the arguement goes that they are killed because they are a nuisance in their natural environment... that is singlemined, basically saying, "if they are gonna kill it, we should be able to exploit it!" without any consideration for the animal in question. Do we import with the intent to kill it, NO, but we do import knowing the risk involved for the importee.
I think a limited harvest should only be allowed every 4 years to give the population a chance to recover.
I see a difficulty enforcing it though.
I see a difficulty enforcing it though.
i say ban them.... then like the pipe dreams of so many morons here i can take my marbled motoros and A sell the breeding pair for 5 grand or sell my pups for 800 a piece... not too mention they will be untouchable price wise to people who dont need them....
SovietFireExtinguisher;2962876; said:Nic you seem a wee bit irked.... who defecated on your Cheerio"s?
i havent had good coffee in awhile... i have nothing to put in my cherios now
Nic;2963330; said:i havent had good coffee in awhile... i have nothing to put in my cherios now
Do we need to have another chat about my espresso machine? Just go and rob your friend of coffee again <= that's what he did last time.
Marius;2964093; said:Do we need to have another chat about my espresso machine? Just go and rob your friend of coffee again <= that's what he did last time.
normally i would but i got some good tea right now.... dont know what the hell it is but it is amazing.... going for lowered blood pressure..
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Nic;2964133; said:normally i would but i got some good tea right now.... dont know what the hell it is but it is amazing.... going for lowered blood pressure..
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You have high blood pressure! No way!
