A little thread on using supplements with rays

[Zoodiver]

From what I have seen with benthic elasmos is that the two most over looked components are idodine and thiamine. Usually, rays (and benthic sharks) will have a diet high in those two due to eating of prey with an exoskeleton of some type that are higher in concentration of both.
Lack of iodine in the diet is directly tied to formation of goiters in elasmobranchs. It's seen in rays and a lot of the carpet sharks (bamboos and nurse species specifically).
Low thiamine can lead to heart issues and lessen brain function (or open the door for other neurological issues).
Usually if an animals is lacking in either and is showing symptoms, they can be nursed back to health by slowly increasing the amount in the diet. I've seen rather large goiters thin down and vanish with a simple iodine pill added to the food.

 

[burbon44s]

I'd be interested in using zoodivers Mazuri supplements but the shelf live is only 1 year. No way I could use up 600 tablets in a year.
Any other options?


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[Silent Bob]

I'd be interested in using zoodivers Mazuri supplements but the shelf live is only 1 year. No way I could use up 600 tablets in a year.
Any other options?


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I would suggest mine because it is smaller amounts and cheaper but I know that it is not tested in the U.S.A or Europe. That is why I am not saying what it is.

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[burbon44s]

So if your not going to tell us what it is, r u selling some? So we can try a little.
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[Zoodiver]

I'd be interested in using zoodivers Mazuri supplements but the shelf live is only 1 year. No way I could use up 600 tablets in a year.
Any other options?


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Another thing you could look into is adding the Mazuri Shark/ray gel diet to the rotation of foods. It's a little cheaper and lasts a long time in the freezer as a powder. It has a good mix of supplements right in it specifically made for elasmobranchs.

Mazuri and Ocean Nutrition are the only two companies that make quality prepared foods specifically made for sharks/rays that I would suggest.

http://www.mazuri.com/mazurisharkraygelperkg-5c8x.aspx

 

[Silent Bob]

Another thing you could look into is adding the Mazuri Shark/ray gel diet to the rotation of foods. It's a little cheaper and lasts a long time in the freezer as a powder. It has a good mix of supplements right in it specifically made for elasmobranchs.

Mazuri and Ocean Nutrition are the only two companies that make quality prepared foods specifically made for sharks/rays that I would suggest.

http://www.mazuri.com/mazurisharkraygelperkg-5c8x.aspx

Again big thanks to you for the information for everyone.

Just so everyone is clear, I am not selling a product. I figured that adding supplements like this to our rays diet is not something very many of us on here have done. Easy to see that by the reaponses this thread has recieved. The reason no one is getting the name of the product I am using is simple, what if something doesn't go right? You think I want everyone pointing a finger at me saying well he said try this? To some degree this is uncharted territory for your average at home ray keeper.

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[burbon44s]

Is there a nutrition difference between fresh and salt water rays?
I've got freshwater rays

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[DIDYSIS]

I have been doing similar reseach for a good time about such types of stuff and mixing with foods or injecting into foods. But the information is limited and not common. When I saw this I was really interested and exited and have been following it but a bit disappointed. I do not mean anything mean or rude by this I am just saying that if we are trying to do a comparison like we often do with food or other then we are lacking some information. It seems to be another case of the stingray secrets that people do not want to share even though helping each other is what this forum is all about.

I see a little bit of a double standard going on here. You want to share your experiences and get input, but not share at all what you are trying so we can actually give input or thoughts on it. But then you want others to have full disclosure, providing what they are using so we(you) can compare with what you are using. A little one sided if you ask me for informing and working together since you asked for it.

If you would like just message me and I will be more then happy to have a mod remove this post if its taking away from the overall thread.

*This thread is being put together for the community to show my firsthand observations on the effects of adding vitamins to a ray's diet.

The only information I will give out about this product is what is in it. Once I have fully tested it, I will give everyone its name.*This supplement comes in powder form and is pure vitamins with a binding agent, that when mixed with your food, will not fall off in water. The main vitamins in this supplement are A,B,C, and E.

Anybody else adding a supplement to their rays diet? If so, feel free to contribute which one or ones you are adding. Brand names not needed but would be nice to see what specific vitamins you are adding to their meals and why.

How do you know its not been tested? Unfortunatly items such as this will and do take years of research and a complete lab for testing the effects. If you are trying to say your going to be the test group for it great, but seriously you are going to spend years and years of time doing this and knowing all the possible effects will not be possible for the home stingray hobbiest to know. So saying you will disclose informantion after full testing seems impossible.

I would suggest mine because it is smaller amounts and cheaper but I know that it is not tested in the U.S.A or Europe. That is why I am not saying what it is.

I understand you throught but seriously this is a fish forum, you not legally liable for anything you give advice on. It is not like your a business backing a product, your just sharing experiences like everyone else here. How many people say stuff that most would say is incorrect? As you started off, this is a test and desire for information, but not sharing what you are using and trying is not helping. As we have seen and know Zoodiver is a very very knowledgeable person and willing to share and help with information, (thanks zoodiver I always appreciate reading your info and you sharing what you know) heck maybe he knows something about your product that might be insightfull? I would just think you would want more input then nothing about your said product if you are really trying to learn as much as possible.

Again big thanks to you for the information for everyone.

Just so everyone is clear, I am not selling a product. I figured that adding supplements like this to our rays diet is not something very many of us on here have done. Easy to see that by the reaponses this thread has recieved. The reason no one is getting the name of the product I am using is simple, what if something doesn't go right? You think I want everyone pointing a finger at me saying well he said try this? To some degree this is uncharted territory for your average at home ray keeper.

 

[KNH]

I'm curious to here results of your product but honestly you will need controls and years to try to determine if there is a noticeable benefit. Do you think there is a common vitamin deficiency in rays that are fed the normal tilapia/shrimp/worms/pellets? (Or bc your rays are fed mainly shrimp?)
Ill be watching the thread with interest. Thanks

 

[bonesb66]

I have been doing similar reseach for a good time about such types of stuff and mixing with foods or injecting into foods. But the information is limited and not common. When I saw this I was really interested and exited and have been following it but a bit disappointed. I do not mean anything mean or rude by this I am just saying that if we are trying to do a comparison like we often do with food or other then we are lacking some information. It seems to be another case of the stingray secrets that people do not want to share even though helping each other is what this forum is all about.

I see a little bit of a double standard going on here. You want to share your experiences and get input, but not share at all what you are trying so we can actually give input or thoughts on it. But then you want others to have full disclosure, providing what they are using so we(you) can compare with what you are using. A little one sided if you ask me for informing and working together since you asked for it.

If you would like just message me and I will be more then happy to have a mod remove this post if its taking away from the overall thread.





How do you know its not been tested? Unfortunatly items such as this will and do take years of research and a complete lab for testing the effects. If you are trying to say your going to be the test group for it great, but seriously you are going to spend years and years of time doing this and knowing all the possible effects will not be possible for the home stingray hobbiest to know. So saying you will disclose informantion after full testing seems impossible.






I understand you throught but seriously this is a fish forum, you not legally liable for anything you give advice on. It is not like your a business backing a product, your just sharing experiences like everyone else here. How many people say stuff that most would say is incorrect? As you started off, this is a test and desire for information, but not sharing what you are using and trying is not helping. As we have seen and know Zoodiver is a very very knowledgeable person and willing to share and help with information, (thanks zoodiver I always appreciate reading your info and you sharing what you know) heck maybe he knows something about your product that might be insightfull? I would just think you would want more input then nothing about your said product if you are really trying to learn as much as possible.

Couldn't agree more