A word about seachem

[tcarswell]

I've used it on my smaller planted tanks and seen outbreaks of cyanobacteria . . . I don't know why the two things would be connected (?), but after it happened twice I stopped trying . . . probably "user-error" on my part

I also didn't see any water-polishing when I tried it on my larger tanks; my water is very clear anyway, but I thought maybe Purigen would take it to another level, and I really didn't see any appreciable difference

I'm going to try one more time, on my 15G planted, which has some tannins in it . . . I'll post again once I reach a conclusion on the result

Sounds interesting. Please let me know your results it has always brought my tanks to a different level even though I overfilter and micron filter and cycle properly. Im curious why this would happen to you. Your newest pics look great!


I gotta say it again lol I don't work for seachem I am just their weekend "Ho"

 

[Sab_Fan]

yes, it was your unwavering support of Purigen that made me decide to give it another shot . . . so far, so good

 

[Toby_H]

Please note I wasn't badmouthing their products...

I just don't agree their customer service are a bunch of helpful honest guys...

I see them laying out the same lines of BS that all the additive / media manufacturers do...

 

[Toby_H]

Excuse me while I vent…

On Seachem forum - http://www.seachem.com/support/forums/index.php

It’s really nice to be able to converse with Seachem Employees / Representatives… Especially in a public format where previous answers can be reviewed & compared.

But dang is it annoying that There is a “Senior Member” (LabTest57) that constantly replies to posts on behalf of the Seachem Employee / Representative.

There are many times where I only want to hear what the Seachem Employee / Representative has to say, and I do not want a simple member tripping up the conversation with their opinion.

Especially when they are arrogantly making “corrections” that are not accurate and that are distracting the points being discussed… As he did in the thread that motivated the creation of this thread here… http://www.seachem.com/support/forums/showthread.php?t=2783

Deep breath… ahhhh….
Thanks for letting me vent….

 

[tcarswell]

Excuse me while I vent…

On Seachem forum - http://www.seachem.com/support/forums/index.php

It’s really nice to be able to converse with Seachem Employees / Representatives… Especially in a public format where previous answers can be reviewed & compared.

But dang is it annoying that There is a “Senior Member” (LabTest57) that constantly replies to posts on behalf of the Seachem Employee / Representative.

There are many times where I only want to hear what the Seachem Employee / Representative has to say, and I do not want a simple member tripping up the conversation with their opinion.

Especially when they are arrogantly making “corrections” that are not accurate and that are distracting the points being discussed… As he did in the thread that motivated the creation of this thread here… http://www.seachem.com/support/forums/showthread.php?t=2783

Deep breath… ahhhh….
Thanks for letting me vent….

That is my name on the seachem forum bro... I was just trying to help





















JK the guys a total jerk

Oh and I am glad you gave the purigen a shot if you feel its working for ya sabfan

 

[jschall]

nutcase, there really isn't a good reason for you to argue your point. It's valid, but in the big picture, it doesn't matter in the slightest. For the purposes of fishkeeping, purigen won't make a significant difference to your biological filtration.

Sure, they might be lying, but whether or not it affects the BB is really a technicality. If you leave it in there long enough that it becomes depleted, it will gradually adsorb less and less food, allowing the BB to grow back. Even if you removed it abruptly and stopped using it before then, I doubt you'd see a major spike.

 

[sostoudt]

It's valid, but in the big picture, it doesn't matter in the slightest. For the purposes of fishkeeping, purigen won't make a significant difference to your biological filtration.

i concur unless your using a huge quantity its not really important.
even then if you have a huge quantity i would assume you could have a rotation going on for when you bleach it.

it definitely will affect bacteria but so do water changes, there not equivalent in quantity or duration but i think its still a good enough connection. you could even compare to the plants in the poster's tanks.


i find seachems good at answer mechanisms and technical questions about the products, but when it comes to questions about should i worry about this or that, there gonna steer you toward use of there product. so will every company tho like nc said. and nc im sure you will get a reply eventually from the rep or a rep.

 

[Toby_H]

Their Reps don't work weekends, so I don't expect to hear anything until Monday afternoon...

As for is it worth arguing... I feel it is...

I strongly support hobbyists learning the simple science at work in our aquariums…

Seachem is lying to you about the simple science at work in your aquariums…

I feel that Seachem makes quality products and that sharing the honest truth is the best way to promote them as well as benefit hobbyists with an education.

In this case, the Seachem Rep is doing his own product a disservice by telling an obvious lie that you should see right through and should therefore question the validity of the product being pushed at you with this lie.

The Rep could have just as easily explained that yes Purigen does remove Ammonia from the nitrifying process, which in turn reduces the available ammonia thus reducing the overall quantity of both ammonia and nitrite oxidizers…

But this does not in any way increase free ammonia and on the contrary reduces the amount of nitrates created by oxidized ammonia/nitrite…

When Purigen does become “spent” it will slowly decrease the ammonia intake thus allowing the bacterial colony to regenerate itself back up to full capacity.

If at any point the Purigen is replaced the bacterial colony will have no need to regenerate.
Since bacteria grows on surfaces throughout the system The Purigen in the filter alone will never have the chance to remove 100% of the ammonia/nitrite in the system which guarantees the tank will always have an active bacterial colony converting ammonia to nitrite and nitrite to nitrate.

It’s just a darn shame that I can do the guys job better than he can…

 

[sostoudt]

It’s just a darn shame that I can do the guys job better than he can…

i agree he gave a half assed answer to that part of the question. theres a difference between a more or less unimportant effect and no effect. but im willing to look past that as it wasnt the main question of the thread.
I think it spiraled out of proportion because he tried to defend his answer and not clearly state there is a effect but it wont really matter in most cases..

 

[Toby_H]

Purigen will not have an effect on the bacteria in your tank.

Toby_H, we will agree with you that the use of Purigen will have some effect on your beneficial bacteria.

Since the purpose of this thread here at Monster Fish Keepers was to boast of the helpful customer service offered by Seachem…

I felt it important to expose that in the example made, Seachem was being misleading, which is quite the disservice…

The above quotes show very clearly that Seachem was being misleading… and they admitted it…



While I still feel Seachem makes quality products, and I have higher confidence in their products than their competitors… Please use this as an example that you should not trust their Customer Service nor their Promotional Statements… They will lie to you or otherwise mislead you to gain sales…

The less you understand your aquarium the more you are forced to rely on them…

The link to the thread at Seachem’s Forum for the full conversation there - http://www.seachem.com/support/forums/showthread.php?t=2783