Alligator drags Toddler in water at Disney Resort

[jaws7777]

I mean...when I lived in Pittsburgh I knew not to go to Homestead or Oakland after like 12 PM, so in reality its not your fault the crimes there, but it is your fault for wondering into it.

But you lived in pittsburgh, thease people did not live in fla.

I thought I had it bad when i ran across the road and got knocked over by a bakkie (pickup) at 3 years old and on holiday.
It may have been negligent of disney not to put signs up about alligators. but what does the sign say? DON'T SWIM! what did they do? THEY WENT TO SWIM. there are reasons for signs that say no swimming: private land, vulnerable ecology, polluted water ,dangerous animals????
In south africa we have plenty of crocs and sharks. Whites are present all over but most live in the tropical east coast. crocs live in the warm areas, its common knowledge.

Disney may have a little liability for having no warnings up or fencing but the parents are responsible, if the water was toxic and the child was sick afterwards is it still disneys fault? in the end i think both parties were at wrong here, parents more so

Good point about the toxic water. But what would all of you say if he was attacked 4 inches AWAY from the water ?

Disney knew that gators were losing their fear of humans, they had employees tell sups to fence of certain areas, they remove gators from the water ways (why do that if they arent a threat), life guards at the pool near the lagoon didnt say " hey your kid might get eaten if he dips his toe in there", a gator climbed on a log raft a few weeks before, the event that toom place that night was set up by disney on the beach a few feet away from where they knew the gators were known to be....

Anyone with kids knows how fast something bad can happen, a kid throwing a tantrum coul have easily ran from his parent and stumbled upon a gator.

Now disney is killing off gators because of bad pr

Lets look at this another way.... would any of you with kids stay at a resort with open access to a lagoon where gators could enter and exit the beach ?

I see where you all are coming from and agree that my kids regardless wouldnt have been anywhere near that water but thats because im deathly scared of anything besides a pool. Even at the beach i only let them go in ankle deep water

 

[predatorkeeper87]

But you lived in pittsburgh, thease people did not live in fla.

truth, but before I lived there, the very first time I drove there myself, I stopped and asked a cop for directions and where not to go and he literally told me the streets that if I drove down them that the police weren't coming to get me. Just saying, prepare for where you go.

 

[jaws7777]

truth, but before I lived there, the very first time I drove there myself, I stopped and asked a cop for directions and where not to go and he literally told me the streets that if I drove down them that the police weren't coming to get me. Just saying, prepare for where you go.

Haha @ police arent coming to get you

 

[predatorkeeper87]

Haha @ police arent coming to get you

the exact quote, since I'll never forget it was:

"you gotta go down here, take this left then an immediate right, if you take that next left don't even stop for the lights because if you do...we aren't coming to get you down there."

 

[jaws7777]

truth, but

the exact quote, since I'll never forget it was:

"you gotta go down here, take this left then an immediate right, if you take that next left don't even stop for the lights because if you do...we aren't coming to get you down there."

Lmao atleast he was honest

 

[koltsixx]

I've checked on this thread quite a bit, read the points but hesitated responding because I worry I feel a little too strongly. After constantly seeing it pop up though and detaching myself a bit I think I can safely respond without making a butt of myself.

In my opinion a parent is many things. One of those things is a guardian. As a guardian your duty is to protect and to protect you must make yourself aware of any dangers that any situation might present. Can an accident happen in an instant? Yes but IMO the circumstances would have to be extenuating by being out of reasonable control.

When you cross the street with a child you realize the heightened danger of the situation so exert more energy on being aware and keeping the child under control then in other circumstances. I think that's common sense. So then why isn't it common sense that when you go to a place where gators are seen all over the place that you should also be more alert and make extra effort to keep your child under your control? I've been to Florida and if you haven't heard about the gators before get there you're almost sure to see them when you do. Never mind the fact that my child wouldn't get anywhere near water without me because a unsupervised 2 year old could drown very easily.

All in all I see this as a failure on the parents part. No one should have to hold your hand and baby feed you info. so you can do what should come naturally and protect your child. Society keeps getting scarier because it keeps giving everyone an excuse. I know from personal experience it's a lot easier to fail or do horrible things when you're given the ability to blame someone else for your actions. I did some horrible things before learning to take responsibility for myself and it wasn't till I did that things got better.

 

[jaws7777]

I guess i just feel horrible about the kid. When ever i hear stories that involve children my mind automatically think "my god what if that happened to one of my kids" and it literally makes me sick toy stomach. Maybe my emotions are cloudimg my judgment. Im so crazy with them that i would never stay at a resort with access like this. Not only for the gators but having bodies of water with no life gaurds.

I've checked on this thread quite a bit, read the points but hesitated responding because I worry I feel a little too strongly. After constantly seeing it pop up though and detaching myself a bit I think I can safely respond without making a butt of myself.

In my opinion a parent is many things. One of those things is a guardian. As a guardian your duty is to protect and to protect you must make yourself aware of any dangers that any situation might present. Can an accident happen in an instant? Yes but IMO the circumstances would have to be extenuating by being out of reasonable control.

When you cross the street with a child you realize the heightened danger of the situation so exert more energy on being aware and keeping the child under control then in other circumstances. I think that's common sense. So then why isn't it common sense that when you go to a place where gators are seen all over the place that you should also be more alert and make extra effort to keep your child under your control? I've been to Florida and if you haven't heard about the gators before get there you're almost sure to see them when you do. Never mind the fact that my child wouldn't get anywhere near water without me because a unsupervised 2 year old could drown very easily.

All in all I see this as a failure on the parents part. No one should have to hold your hand and baby feed you info. so you can do what should come naturally and protect your child. Society keeps getting scarier because it keeps giving everyone an excuse. I know from personal experience it's a lot easier to fail or do horrible things when you're given the ability to blame someone else for your actions. I did some horrible things before learning to take responsibility for myself and it wasn't till I did that things got better.

 

[koltsixx]

I guess i just feel horrible about the kid. When ever i hear stories that involve children my mind automatically think "my god what if that happened to one of my kids" and it literally makes me sick toy stomach. Maybe my emotions are cloudimg my judgment. Im so crazy with them that i would never stay at a resort with access like this. Not only for the gators but having bodies of water with no life gaurds.

It's cool I wasn't faulting anyone their opinion and my post wasn't directed at anyone. It's more a reminder to myself to never let my guard down. To never leave my or my families safety in anyone's hands but my own. For instance I know that some of those who are faulting Disney are doing so because they can't imagine letting their child get into that situation. Since they can't see themselves failing in that way it becomes hard to imagine another parent would and so the enemy becomes Disney. It's just as you said an emotional subject because it hits close to home for parents so the lines get blurred.

 

[jaws7777]

It's cool I wasn't faulting anyone their opinion and my post wasn't directed at anyone. It's more a reminder to myself to never let my guard down. To never leave my or my families safety in anyone's hands but my own. For instance I know that some of those who are faulting Disney are doing so because they can't imagine letting their child get into that situation. Since they can't see themselves failing in that way it becomes hard to imagine another parent would and so the enemy becomes Disney. It's just as you said an emotional subject because it hits close to home for parents so the lines get blurred.

Nah man i know you werent directing it at me but the way you worded it did put it in another perspective. Hard not to personalize i assume that people who somehow felt a false sense of security would have been more vigilant had they known...assuming that they didnt know.


I knw a resort like thst wouldnt work for.my family. My daughter is a handful and my son is obsessed with anything nature related. I could see my daughter throwing a tantrum taking up my time and my son having 2 minutes to decide if his curiosity is worth the risk.

 

[DB junkie]

My question is did this kind of stuff happen as much in the past? We might not have had social media but we had news that loves exploiting situations like this......

Have parents become "soft"? I sure think so.

When I was a kid and my parents took us to the mall guess what? I couldn't get away from my parents. Why? Cause I was carted around held by the hand. I was never let go of. Toss myself on the ground guess what? Still had a "hand" cuff on me (pun intended). What happened when my parents ran out of hands? My brother got a harness that attached him to my parent. A friggin leash.

Where did these kid leashes go? Now considered "cruel" LMAO OR would they be life savers when visiting a zoo or disneyland?

Some people (not saying the family that this happened to) shouldn't have kids. We ALL KNOW people like this, while it may be sad, some people are simply NOT responsible enough for children and what happens when they choose to have them anyways? They get financially rewarded for screwing up in the parenting department. As someone who has chosen not to have kids because of the fear of said responsability this situation makes me sick and angry.