another drop eye concern

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ethnics;879848; said:
and if u look at his upper eye area, you can see the fat tissue which goes to show it has DE. ask wizzin.

i dont care whos right, your jus stuck on the fact that its not natural, i have no idea what your arguement is. you say its nicer without it.

all im saying is who cares. drop eye, cock eye, poop eye, bent tail, no fins, nakid with no scales.

its an aro. and aros are gorgeous, WITH or WITHOUT DE...

i never said im right, or wrong, or people should listen to me cuz i own some, or people shouldn't listen to you cuz you dont own some. your arguement is useless, and so is this topic. drop eye shouldn't be a concern, its always been there and always will be.

oh yah... a wild caught Silver Arowana... with DE

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i guess my arguement is, just because there not born with it, what makes you think its not supposed to happen at the bigger size like it does? why are you so certain its not meant to be? what proof do you have to show that they are supposed to have the eyes they do when there young? why can't you think of it as a defense type thing so they can see there predators down below as if they couldn't, even in the wild. they could be attacked by many things. and just because they jump out for food at times, does not mean there eyes must remain looking up at all times leaving you to wonder why tank raised aros have eyes pointing down. there's no proof.
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ethnics;879912; said:
like i was previously stating. you dont own one, so you wouldn't kno the difference in drop eye...

ill let someone else judge the pics. and of coures the big guy u posted has drop eye, hes over 15 yrs old. thats old man DE. DE has to start somewhere and the aro i posted has DE, not a minor case either. the one u posted jus has SEVERE DE.

i've owned aro's for so long, i can see even the slightest case of DE where it looks like it aint there, but i know it is.

i know the difference between DE, and apparently you dont. if you can post a pic or show me some video of an arowana over 30" that doesn't have DE, ill have some faith in your assumption.

ur information comes from nowhere, not personal experience, nothing. you read online, then post in this thread.

and mods please dont delete any post's in this thread. its a great thread with good points n views and never went off topic.
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X24;879932; said:
great debate. i feel like i've reached about the top of all of my general knowledge on aro's, so i won't try to force anything. people can read both our posts and form their own opinions.
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lemme give you a hand X24

ethnics its apparent to me that YOU cant tell differences between drop eyes and a fish on its side.

any fish on its side is going to have its eye in a look down position. its in the mechanics of a fishes eye, if you where to take a healthy fish and put it on its side its eye would be in a look down position, if you where to right it up, it would return to its upright position once again.

btw thanx harold, these pics from your thread were purfect :)

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ethnics;881658; said:
maybe we should teach our aros to swim upside down, maybe it'll then seem like its looking up...
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recall this picture?

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thats not drop eye :D

ill bet anything that its eye position has to do with its body angle and the fact that it is jumping out of the water.

how? well, lets rotate this picture alittle
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if this arowana did indeed have drop eye, it would be impossible for it to have this kind of pinpoint accuracy on that insect. it would have dropeye almost as bad as mine and yours and neither of our fish can see a damn thing above the waters surface, we have to put food under there damn face for them to able to see it and eat it.

but it doesnt because obviously it struck this bug with 100% accuracy.

you now basically have no potential evidence that drop eye occurs in wild arowana.

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and you have no real evidence that it doesn't... you have no scuba diving pics of an aro swimming by showing it doesn't have drop eye. you justify pics with crookid eyes based on the fact that its out of water.
 
Ahhhh!, we've gone over DE many times now. Everyone and their Mother has posted a theory. I really do not believe however that DE is of any benefit to the fish. The flounder analogy is not logical. Sorry, Aros do not lay on the river bottom and undergo an eye metamorphosis. Maybe if they did then we wouldn't have to buy and kill so many rays :D
 
ethnics;881861; said:
and you have no real evidence that it doesn't... you have no scuba diving pics of an aro swimming by showing it doesn't have drop eye. you justify pics with crookid eyes based on the fact that its out of water.
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i dont need evidence, just logic, any arowana that cant see above its own head is easy prey to predators from above, therefore they are quicky elimaninated.
 
Crustman;881943; said:
Ahhhh!, we've gone over DE many times now. Everyone and their Mother has posted a theory. I really do not believe however that DE is of any benefit to the fish. The flounder analogy is not logical. Sorry, Aros do not lay on the river bottom and undergo an eye metamorphosis. Maybe if they did then we wouldn't have to buy and kill so many rays :D
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but these stupid rediculous radical idea (such as the flounder analogy) keep popping up every now and then, usually i have to step in and prove them incorrect before they become "fact" among this forum. you know how it is.
 
your still only giving your own opinions. no logic, thats ur logic. people see things different. and get off the flounders nuts, it was just a thought. no analogy, just a thought. either way, you, me, and everyone else, are argueing for nothing at all. as none of us can prove anything, cuz none of us can jus go swimming with some wild aros to prove anything.

our aros are blind as a bat with cock eye... enough. fact/fiction whatever, its all opinions and thoughts as this is a forum and it will continue.
 
For what its worth...back to the original question.

My previous silver which was 24" had DE in one eye. It did not effect its swimming in anyway and seemed to have extremely good accuracy when feeding whether it was from the surface or bottom.
 
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