Any ex FH keepers wanna input?

[HybridGS]

Sounds like a waste of resource - aren't those carpintis fry in high demand? Cross something else.... Anyway, I (and my 8 dats) are ready now

Actually I am thinking about adding a 1) somewhat tough; 2) not too aggressive; 3) mid-sized (for now) and 4) very active CA or FH to the dat grow-out tank (36") to cheer them up a little bit. Got any ideas?

You have a reputation as a preacher and you are asking if you can add a potential 18" aggressive fish to a 36" grow out tank....

Crazy.

 

[jgentry]

You have a reputation as a preacher and you are asking if you can add a potential 18" aggressive fish to a 36" grow out tank....

Crazy.

Hence the name growout tank. It's just temporary. Dats are often shy and small ones often don't do well in a huge tank with larger fish.

Sounds like a waste of resource - aren't those carpintis fry in high demand? Cross something else.... Anyway, I (and my 8 dats) are ready now

Actually I am thinking about adding a 1) somewhat tough; 2) not too aggressive; 3) mid-sized (for now) and 4) very active CA or FH to the dat grow-out tank (36") to cheer them up a little bit. Got any ideas?

I'm growing up another female for him. He likes to kill females even with a divider. Until she gets 5" he gets to mate with whoever he likes.

Nothing aquarium wise is in high demand right now. 95% of what I breed ends up as pbass food anyway.

 

[dogofwar]

To me at least, Peter has a reputation as a guy who knows what the F he is talking about...demonstrates significant skill and expertise in keeping and breeding fish...and offers rational input toward others' questions.

MFK could use more of that...and less of what you just posted.

Matt

You have a reputation as a preacher and you are asking if you can add a potential 18" aggressive fish to a 36" grow out tank....

Crazy.

 

[dogofwar]

I couldn't agree more, JD.

I'd like to think that keeping fish might inspire people to learn about and take actions to conserve/preserve the natural habitats of the fish that they keep.

Of course, one doesn't have to keep particular fish to support conservation...

Matt

This thread was an interesting read.

It's somewhat funny to me that some people get so passionately against something so trival as a hybrid fish. Everyone would be better off if they just realized that we are keeping fish in a glass box. There is nothing natural about it to begin with. Keep wild types if you want. Keep hybrids if you want. Just be responsible with any fish you keep.

Keeping a wild fish in an aquarium does nothing for conservation or preserving anything in the wild. All of the people that hate hybrids because they claim they are ruining pure lines or are man made are fooling themselves. All aquarium fish are man made. Someone collects a wild fish and selects the prettiest ones. We then select what we consider the best male and female to breed. We then select the the best fry to sell. The story goes on and on. From the very start a F1 fish is tampered with by man to make them into what we desire. Which is often nothing like what nature intended.

Let me know when your ready Peter. I just had a batch of about 1000 babies from a carpintis cross. I'll send you a bag of them.

 

[FishingOut]

Arguing the ethics of flowerhorn isnt going to change anyones mind.

Arguing over hybrids is like competing in the special olympics,

Its all about personal taste, and preconceived notions.

The only logical answer to this thread is... The flowerhorn keeper wanted a community, And his tank size wouldnt allow it with a flowerhorn. If you want a wetpet a quality flowerhorn will not disappoint.

 

[peathenster]

People get taste and ethics confused sometimes.

Matt

Arguing the ethics of flowerhorn isnt going to change anyones mind.

I just went back and read the whole thread again. Didn't see any comments on FHs being unethical. No accusations, and no victims.

Matt brought up this point already. Understanding the argument first (or the lack thereof) can be really helpful.

Arguing over hybrids is like competing in the special olympics,

What do you mean by "arguing over hybrids", exactly? Do you still think different breeds of dogs are actually different species?

Its all about personal taste, and preconceived notions.

The only logical answer to this thread is... The flowerhorn keeper wanted a community, And his tank size wouldnt allow it with a flowerhorn. If you want a wetpet a quality flowerhorn will not disappoint.

Good point. Well taken.

You have a reputation as a preacher and you are asking if you can add a potential 18" aggressive fish to a 36" grow out tank....

Crazy.

Not sure what you were reading but I don't think I asked about adding an 18" fish to a 36" tank. Please don't put words in my mouth. Would love to have an 18" dat though.

 

[Chrisplosion]

Surprisingly this has maintained a rather civil conversation. Kudos! I love the Amphilophus and Vieja genus so I think thats a big part of why I am drawn to Flowerhorns.

 

[FishingOut]

What do you mean by "arguing over hybrids", exactly? Do you still think different breeds of dogs are actually different species?

Yes, I do. A species is often defined as a group of organisms capable of interbreeding and producing fertile offspring. Scientists are refining their taxonomic strategies in the hope of developing a standardized method of classifying, identifying, and describing the evolutionary history of species.
So yes, I believe dogs are primarily decendents of wolves, As a subspecies. I believe they are the same Family and Genus, But saying they are purely Canis Lupus Lupus I cant agree with. Too much conflicting DNA analysis, And the genepool is too diverse. And the domestic dog dates too far back to be accurate. Because there are many types of wolves, Even extinct species now that could have been used throughout time, Like the Dire wolf. Many Canus are capable of breeding producing viable offsprings, Like jackles, coyotes, While dogs on the other hand, some dogs cant breed because of diversity in their genetics. I dont not believe dogs came from Canis Lupus Lupus, I just have my doubts.

 

[cichcrazy]

It was the opposite for me. But I am now not enjoying it as much because There are too many people that have ruined the hobby/craze, just like back yard dog breeders who will breed mutts w/purebreds just to make a buck. People imo ruined the Fh craze by breeding Pretty Fh w/blood parrots ,or another cichlid just to make an easy buck. that just disgusts me. That ruins it for those who keep/raise FHs for bettering/making more beautiful Fhs. I am soon getting out of the FH hobby, but there are 2 fish that I would never want to part with,because they are exceptionally pretty and have unusually nice personalities that I can put any fish with ,and have so far never tried to hurt anything or anyone. That is just unusual for me. idk to each his own,and happy fish keeping

 

[the animal guy]

Nevermind. Guys. Have fun ing

Only a few on topic inputs and mostly BS.

sorry...

But if you must go on, do understand that one person may like red, and another may like blue..