Anyone successfully breeding Super Red Severums?

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Do tell, you're not under any oath of secrecy...

Well, I don't know specifics. That's the problem. A lot of Asian breeders are keeping altums in very closely-controlled systems where water is monitored constantly. I've seen videos of it online. They won't reveal exactly what they're doing, or if they're adding something, but I know the hardness and pH are kept quite low. When it comes to things like wild heckel discus, males will readily cross with domestic females but it's hard to find the trigger to get a wild female to spawn. Altums will pair up but rarely breed. In both instances, it's always been assumed that pH and/or hardness was the trigger. pH and hardness also play a factor in other aspects of breeding, like the sex ratio of a spawn, viability of the eggs, etc. There are a lot of ways to artificially alter the water and some people have figured out triggers. Discus breeders used to play around with small amounts of muriatic acid, if I recall correctly. There was another chemical that used to get used a lot, it was a common household chemical, but I can't remember what it was now.

Anyway, the point is, I'm sure these trade secrets get passed around and tried on all the various fish that are labelled hard to spawn.
 
Well, I don't know specifics. That's the problem. A lot of Asian breeders are keeping altums in very closely-controlled systems where water is monitored constantly. I've seen videos of it online. They won't reveal exactly what they're doing, or if they're adding something, but I know the hardness and pH are kept quite low. When it comes to things like wild heckel discus, males will readily cross with domestic females but it's hard to find the trigger to get a wild female to spawn. Altums will pair up but rarely breed. In both instances, it's always been assumed that pH and/or hardness was the trigger. pH and hardness also play a factor in other aspects of breeding, like the sex ratio of a spawn, viability of the eggs, etc. There are a lot of ways to artificially alter the water and some people have figured out triggers. Discus breeders used to play around with small amounts of muriatic acid, if I recall correctly. There was another chemical that used to get used a lot, it was a common household chemical, but I can't remember what it was now.

Anyway, the point is, I'm sure these trade secrets get passed around and tried on all the various fish that are labelled hard to spawn.

You are getting extremely close Ryan. Bobby and his wife may have to pay you a visit in FL :nilly:
 
NO keep spilling! lol
 
I wouldn't call mine a success yet but they laid eggs, not sure how long the eggs been in the cave, I decided not to move the eggs to see if they will produce wigglers or not, if they do then i will save the eggs next time. I just didn't want to put the effort of transfering the eggs and to find out they might be all not fertile. Sorry for the terrible pics but best i could do the the camera phone and the position their at.

superred eggs.jpg

superred eggs.jpg
 
cool! I love these guys, Good Luck
 
.......... pH and hardness also play a factor in other aspects of breeding, like... viability of the eggs, etc. There are a lot of ways to artificially alter the water....... Discus breeders used to play around with small amounts of muriatic acid, if I recall correctly. There was another chemical that used to get used a lot, it was a common household chemical, but I can't remember what it was now.........
a bit of hydrogen peroxide in with eggs?
 
Well, there's hope then. My water is relatively hard so if thats the issue I'm out of luck.
As for the the use of chemicals on angels/discus, is this done regularly or just for spawning periods?

Just with pairs, as far as I know. Most SA cichlids (most, not all) will still thrive and grow out well in harder water with a higher pH, but spawning won't occur without the proper trigger.
 
Just with pairs, as far as I know. Most SA cichlids (most, not all) will still thrive and grow out well in harder water with a higher pH, but spawning won't occur without the proper trigger.

I need to dust off the old test kits. It's been a while...
 
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