are these good quality fh fries ???

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Danielcho said:
Really? Because I don't even know what your argument is. I highly doubt that anyone does as all you posted was a picture saying "So this is low quality at 6 inches?". Please clearly tell me your argument and then we can future discuss this because I really have no clue what point you are trying to get across.
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The point was simple.... But most probably you won't get it!
You told the OP some of your half baked knowledge of genetics and I showed a pic to show that you probably have nothing to show to validate your point!

Listen pal..... you need to grow up and start giving advices when you have actual 'knowledge'...... You mentioned that if the parents are not good quality then there is NO WAY the offspring can be good quality..... That's very very wrong. Because even if there are 99% chance of the offspring being not good quality, still 1% probability is that the past generations' good genes may get passed on to the offspring from parents (which didn't show the good quality, but definitely carried the genes)! CLEAR?!

Do you have clue now?..... If you don't, please do whatever, but don't advice about genetics!
 
kookiejar2 said:
The point was simple.... But most probably you won't get it!
You told the OP some of your half baked knowledge of genetics and I showed a pic to show that you probably have nothing to show to validate your point!

Listen pal..... you need to grow up and start giving advices when you have actual 'knowledge'...... You mentioned that if the parents are not good quality then there is NO WAY the offspring can be good quality..... That's very very wrong. Because even if there are 99% chance of the offspring being not good quality, still 1% probability is that the past generations' good genes may get passed on to the offspring from parents (which didn't show the good quality, but definitely carried the genes)! CLEAR?!

Do you have clue now?..... If you don't, please do whatever, but don't advice about genetics!
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Are you really that blind? What was your purpose of showing that picture? Are you that ignorant? So listen kid, that picture has absolutely no relevance what so ever as i was talking to op about the parents being low quality. You posting a picture and saying " so this is low quality" has NO RELATIONS without pictures of its parents or its offspring. Pick out one flaw of anything I said about genetics, ill wait.
 
Danielcho said:
Are you really that blind? What was your purpose of showing that picture? Are you that ignorant? So listen kid, that picture has absolutely no relevance what so ever as i was talking to op about the parents being low quality. You posting a picture and saying " so this is low quality" has NO RELATIONS without pictures of its parents or its offspring. Pick out one flaw of anything I said about genetics, ill wait.
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When I put up that pic, you very well knew why I put it up...... Otherwise you would have just asked or admitted your mistake and shut up. But no.... you had to start becoming uselessly defensive!

And your flaw that has been pointed out quite a few times in this thread is that genetics do not start and stop with the parents only..... grandparents, great grandparents... the whole lineage plays a part.... sometimes visually expressive, sometimes not showing but carried on nonetheless.... Do read up on what you said:

Danielcho said:
Do you understand what genes do? If you did I really dont think you would have said that it stops and starts with the parents. I'll quickly explain what genes are and what they do.

Genes are basically instructions inherited from the parents. Half the fathers and half the mothers, if a fh's parents dont have koks their off springs wont have koks. Simple as that, your brown and your parents are brown for an example. You dont see purple kids running down the street do you? Back on track, anything that is multicelluar is predestined to be what it is from the parents genes. Sure there could be a differ combination that lead to different looking offspring but its all within a scope local to its own possibilities.

Genes are a combination of instructions so you saying "your understanding of gene is that it starts and stops at the parent only" is true. Your knowledge seems very very limited. In college I took a couple genetics classes and have a very good understanding of genetics..

Correct me if I'm wrong, you are saying after the fh receives its genes from its mother and father it some how alters them within its own body and becomes something it wasnt predestined to be? If so that's a huge load of bull. First thing I was told in my very first genetics lecture is that all muticelluar creatures have been given a blueprint which are the genes that decides length, color, regulatory functions, and the final disposition. I have a hint that you dont really understand what you're talking about..
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And lastly, don't talk rubbish on the internet..... How old are you again?..... Have you ever bred any fish?!!..... Any first hand experience about genetics other than your college education?!..... Seriously dude, you definitely need to stop bragging about your college classes!
 
kookiejar2 said:
When I put up that pic, you very well knew why I put it up...... Otherwise you would have just asked or admitted your mistake and shut up. But no.... you had to start becoming uselessly defensive!

And your flaw that has been pointed out quite a few times in this thread is that genetics do not start and stop with the parents only..... grandparents, great grandparents... the whole lineage plays a part.... sometimes visually expressive, sometimes not showing but carried on nonetheless.... Do read up on what you said:



And lastly, don't talk rubbish on the internet..... How old are you again?..... Have you ever bred any fish?!!..... Any first hand experience about genetics other than your college education?!..... Seriously dude, you definitely need to stop bragging about your college classes!
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Ok i'll simply disprove EVERYTHING you said. Are the grand mothers and grand father's genetics in the mothers and fathers genes? YES OH MY! WOW SOME EDUCATION YOU RECEIVED! So when I say the half the mothers and half the fathers its implied the grandparents genes without saying. :clap

And that picture? Its a picture of a fh. Just that. Post their parents and their grandparents according to what you have been nagging about. Were arguing the parents must be low quality correct? So post pictures of the parents then or your just a ignorant tool.
 
Danielcho said:
Ok i'll simply disprove EVERYTHING you said. Are the grand mothers and grand father's genetics in the mothers and fathers genes? YES OH MY! WOW SOME EDUCATION YOU RECEIVED! So when I say the half the mothers and half the fathers its implied the grandparents genes without saying. :clap

And that picture? Its a picture of a fh. Just that. Post their parents and their grandparents according to what you have been nagging about. Were arguing the parents must be low quality correct? So post pictures of the parents then or your just a ignorant tool.
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Firstly, you don't know what the phrase 'non visually expressive gene trait' means. Secondly you just saw a pic of the offsprings and the low quality parents and assumed that you know everything about the gene pool traits!! How can you be sure that the grand parents were low quality too?!! Did you somehow manage to 'see' the non visually expressive genes too!!

My suggestion to the OP would be to pick up the pearly ones and grow them up..... Some good gene might show up from the lineage....
But your advice was to pick up FH with loads of cash which will grow up to be 'stunners' in your own words..... just about above average for the price of an actual MP!!

Thank you for your 'knowledge'..... none taken. I hope the OP doesn't too.....
 
kookiejar2 said:
Firstly, you don't know what the phrase 'non visually expressive gene trait' means. Secondly you just saw a pic of the offsprings and the low quality parents and assumed that you know everything about the gene pool traits!! How can you be sure that the grand parents were low quality too?!! Did you somehow manage to 'see' the non visually expressive genes too!!

My suggestion to the OP would be to pick up the pearly ones and grow them up..... Some good gene might show up from the lineage....
But your advice was to pick up FH with loads of cash which will grow up to be 'stunners' in your own words..... just about above average for the price of an actual MP!!

Thank you for your 'knowledge'..... none taken. I hope the OP doesn't too.....
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So wheres the picture? Your argument has no base if you dont provide it. Thats just like you go to fight a court case and have nothing to back up your statement. Get pictures of the parents to prove it. And your 'non visually expressive gene trait' is recessive gene in american. And please call it what we the general public calls it, its easier that way. Dont try to make up terms to seem smart and I mention it here.
Danielcho said:
You say you know people who breed flowerhorns and I call bull @#$!. Ask any breeder the one way to get quality fry and they will tell you start with two quality fh's. Not shooting in the dark hoping the grandparents traits recessive traits will pass through resulting in a very minimal chance of any quality fh's which yield's no profit.
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and here if you actually read
Danielcho said:
Having recessive red hair is a 25% chance gene, the child will NOT have red hair unless the other partner is carrying the recessive gene. Same concept yet with fh's as they were bred so much within their own family and also others outside the family starting with two lower quality fh's will almost positively yield low quality fry with the exception to a very minimal degree.
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read.
 
BTW, when I was talking about pictures, I was talking about the pictures provided by the OP, on which you made your 'expert' comments! Didn't get that, did you?.... Well, not surprised once again!
 
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