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:D i agree well put

High City Rida;2622408; said:
I agree that saying just because they don't exibit what we seen three yeras ago in the Kelberi imported then does not mean that these are not Kelberi that we have obtained now. I have learned one thing from this site alone. No one person can tell you exactlly what you have because they themselves are looking in there tank and compairing but evoloution is not a compariable variable it is ever changing and can't be pinpointed down to what you seen in the past. We must be paitent and learn from the changes were seeing curently in the hobby today.

I do aggree with Scat also about tale tale signs of any perticular fish and a ceartin size and age should exibit simularity's no matter what. If true sp charachteristic's of the same sub sp. remain the same then Scat is correct. But if we entertain the ever changing "Evolution Theroy" and I have read this in recent PDF's then Venom I believe you are on to something as I was when I stated this months ago. But as we all know only time will tell. I do not think the Cichla were talking about 3 post before is a Kelberi though but instead another sp. entirely with amazing spangaling. I also do not think we will see anything as nice as what Scat has displayed unless we get the same collection point and offspring. A one in a million chance. But I am happy with what have and also from all the information stated in the previous two post is the exact reason why I didn't put all my eggs into one basket and will grab a few more from diffrent collection points and diffrent imoprt's. Just to document for my ow personal experince in the vast diffrences in Cichla in the same tributory with drastic diffrence's of apperance. I mean look at the uniform wide spread of the third bar on all the Kelberi just recently purchased. That alone is amazing and could offer reason to the nah sayer's. There bars are to far split apart! There not Kelberi for that reason? I don't think so I but it could be said.
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Now that I look at it, that fish in the progression pics might be some variant of Xingu?
 
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For those thinking that they might be a race of kelberi that exhibit no spots, I don't think so. The spots are what make kelberi, kelberi.

With that said, I am certainly not arguing that they are not something special.

Keep in mind that even Kullander has stated that the recent revision which added 9 new species is most likely not complete, and that there are probably a number of additional species that need to be described. This particular fish may very well be a an undescribed specie. This is why knowing where your fish were collected from is so vitally important.
 
Scatocephalus;2622587; said:
For those thinking that they might be a race of kelberi that exhibit no spots, I don't think so. The spots are what make kelberi, kelberi.

With that said, I am certainly not arguing that they are not something special.

Keep in mind that even Kullander has stated that the recent revision which added 9 new species is most likely not complete, and that there are probably a number of additional species that need to be described. This particular fish may very well be a an undescribed specie. This is why knowing where your fish were collected from is so vitally important.
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Very well stated. But I am no expert but I am a very open minded person so Scats point is very valid and are proven as well. Zebra have strips and Lepords have spots so no need to think outside the box there. So it is a little out of place to hope when the writing is on the wall or in our case in the PDF. The next year will be interesting indeed to see the development of what we have in our mist. :naughty:
 
RedTailKinG;2622639; said:
this link do they sell or is it just for info purposes?:D
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Haha I think it is just for info purposes

High City Rida;2622662; said:
Very well stated. But I am no expert but I am a very open minded person so Scats point is very valid and are proven as well. Zebra have strips and Lepords have spots so no need to think outside the box there. So it is a little out of place to hope when the writing is on the wall or in our case in the PDF. The next year will be interesting indeed to see the development of what we have in our mist. :naughty:
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Yeah im liking it! If it is true that all Kelberi have the spangling on the anal and pelvic fins then it does suggest we dont have Kelberi lol. I have seen pics of 3-4" juvies and there was no mistaking what they were, they had the very bold spangling allready. Then some will argue that they develop with age. Either way I dont mind, its all water under the bridge now. The fish has been paid for, I own it, and thats that. Whether it turns out to be a Kelberi or a giraffe I dont care. Would I ever order fish from Rapps again if that is the case? Without a doubt 100% absolutely yes I would. ***** happens!
 
Venom SS;2623296; said:
Haha I think it is just for info purposes



Yeah im liking it! If it is true that all Kelberi have the spangling on the anal and pelvic fins then it does suggest we dont have Kelberi lol. I have seen pics of 3-4" juvies and there was no mistaking what they were, they had the very bold spangling allready. Then some will argue that they develop with age. Either way I dont mind, its all water under the bridge now. The fish has been paid for, I own it, and thats that. Whether it turns out to be a Kelberi or a giraffe I dont care. Would I ever order fish from Rapps again if that is the case? Without a doubt 100% absolutely yes I would. ***** happens!
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Give it some time it will come! There so young still, we can't tell yet.
 
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