baby jar and datnoid fighting

[David R]

I currently house a 20" Jardini with a 7"-8" NGT without any problem

Lucky you. Try it ten times with ten different fish and you'll probably have ten different results. I think most people would regard your fish as an exception, not the rule. Jars are, in general, mean SOB's and I still stand by my statement that the OP's mix is not likely to end well.

 

[jlnguyen74]

Lucky you. Try it ten times with ten different fish and you'll probably have ten different results. I think most people would regard your fish as an exception, not the rule. Jars are, in general, mean SOB's and I still stand by my statement that the OP's mix is not likely to end well.

Then why would we conclude that his Jar will kill his datnoid when he grows bigger. BTW, that one is not the first Jar I put in a comm tank. Before that one, I had a 12" Jar comm with other aros, silver dollars, and other fish. Jar ended up got beaten by an African aro To show you how mean a Jar is

Here you go (notice how small the Indo dat compared to the Jar)
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=196170

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=206928

 

[David R]

So because of your experience with a couple of fish and two youtube videos we should just ignore the massive thread stickied at the top of the forum warning people about the risks of keeping tankmates with jardini?
I'm not saying it can't work, he might get lucky and end up with a mellow jar that tolerates other fish in the same tank, but going by the experiences of most people here the jar is more likely to develop a mean streak at around 8-12" and start beating up its tankmates.

 

[jlnguyen74]

So because of your experience with a couple of fish and two youtube videos we should just ignore the massive thread stickied at the top of the forum warning people about the risks of keeping tankmates with jardini?
I'm not saying it can't work, he might get lucky and end up with a mellow jar that tolerates other fish in the same tank, but going by the experiences of most people here the jar is more likely to develop a mean streak at around 8-12" and start beating up its tankmates.

I had kept a few other Jars in the past with silver on several occasions. Those two are recently. I have not said to ignore other thread, however, I have not jumped to the conclusion right away that it won't work! I offered him my experience, encouraged him to give a shot, since he seems want to keep them together. Don't take it personally. Simply to click the "back" button if it's not what you want to read, or if you have something to contribute or debating, don't get all butt hurt! So far from all your posts, there is no positive ending. You quit long before you start!

*sigh* have you read the million-page sticky thread at the top about keeping tankmates with jardinis?

The thread should have ended after this post:


If you're going to try to mix them it'll have to be when they're both bigger because they have very different growth rates. Separate them now before you lose the dat. End of discussion.

Still doesn't change the fact that in 8 months time your jar will be ~12" and the dat will still only be 5-6". This is almost certain to not end well...

Lucky you. Try it ten times with ten different fish and you'll probably have ten different results. I think most people would regard your fish as an exception, not the rule. Jars are, in general, mean SOB's and I still stand by my statement that the OP's mix is not likely to end well.

 

[jlnguyen74]

BTW, hope you don't forget his advise! Seem like you already set your mind against Jardini

I wasn't asking if the ray would attack the Jardini. Next time read the question and title, process it properly, think, then respond it will help increase the possibility that you don't make a fool of yourself.

 

[jardini23]

ok so after about 2 days after i took the divider out the jardini is acting up agin but then i decided to just add this fish that sorda looks like a flowerhorn and it seems that the jardini is scared of this little fish about 2.5". the good part is that the little fish likes the datnoid and is always near him so the jardini dont wnt to even be near them. still just a little bit chasing when little fish not around but alot better.

 

[jardini23]

ok so after i stopped feeding my fishes feeder gf i started to feed them mp and it seems the jar is the only one that is execpting it for now. is the datnoid intimidated by the jar thats why hes not eating?? what you guys think i should do?? thanks, TOM

 

[Cichla dude]

take the baby jar out before he kills the dad. Unfournatly for you didn't get a peacuful Jardini like my old 17''

 

[jlnguyen74]

ok so after i stopped feeding my fishes feeder gf i started to feed them mp and it seems the jar is the only one that is execpting it for now. is the datnoid intimidated by the jar thats why hes not eating?? what you guys think i should do?? thanks, TOM

Stop feeding could be from stress, and could also be water quality. Besides, if you gave your datnoid feeders, you're going to have very hard time to get him on MP, so that's could be the reason, too

 

[David R]

Don't take it personally. Simply to click the "back" button if it's not what you want to read, or if you have something to contribute or debating, don't get all butt hurt! So far from all your posts, there is no positive ending. You quit long before you start!

I'm not taking anything personally, just disagreeing with you. Don't you take it personally, I'm not doubting you or your ability to keep fish, I'm just saying that for ever story like yours there are just as many (if not more) that don't end well. I can't predict what the personality of his fish is going to be and neither can you. My comments are based on the fact that his jar is already giving his dat a bit of a hard time, and that combined with the fact the jar will grow twice as fast as the dat means the chances of these two coexisting peacefully together long-term don't look too good. Do you think that those things indicate that they're going to get along fine? Yes it may turn out to be just teething problems, but given the jardinis reputation and tendency to develop a mean streak at around 8-12" (when the dat will only be half that size) you can't say it looks promising. If you were a bookie taking bets on if this particular combo will work, what would you put the odds at? I'd say 50/50 would be optimistic, and its more likely 70/30 that it won't work out, but thats just my opinion...

There are also many unknown factors that could contribute to the failure/success of this combo. Tanksize would be a big one, and the OP still hasn't mentioned how big his tank is. Tankmates are another, I think if its just the dat and the jar then the dat won't stand a chance as all the jars aggression will be directed onto him. Adding a school of other big fast fish (silver dollars, tinfoils etc) to distract the jar will help a lot. I'll take a stab in the dark and say that the 20" jar and the smaller NGT you mentioned weren't the only two fish in the tank? Diet could also affect the outcome, the fact that the jar is used to eating feeders could encourage him to have a go at the dat when the size difference gets bigger. Getting it onto pellets ASAP is a good idea.

So by all means persevere with it, but watch them closely, it would be a shame to see yet another fish killed because of wishful thinking...