Baby ST making a comeback?

[csx4236]

If you look back at ALL my posts mike is said in every single one this was not a attack on you

But there seams to be a certain member that is so far up your back side he goes running off to you crying mike mike look what T1 is saying about you

At no point did I ever say a bad word about you just that you have more intrest in rays rather than other fish which I thunk is true your passion lays mainly with rays but yes you do buy and sell other fish as a trader can't live on 1 type of fish alone

I don't care what this batch of tigers are ST IT or what ever kind of T people want to call them I have stated many time that they look nice and I would have them in my tank at the drop of a hat

This ST IT or what ever T doesn't bother me if the price was right I would buy them if the price was right and at $400 I don't think the price is right and if a new fishing point has been found then there will be loads for sale soon and the price will drop a lot to the $150 mark

At this moment in time it seams the vendor is sending out the best he has as the stripes are as near perfect as you could probably find on a ST or a 3 bar IT this is the other strange thing even with true ST you get a lot with forked and split bars and we are not seeing any of them at the moment

Also ST with IT tail stripes is not seen that much with real ST but we are seeing over 60% of this new lot with IT tail stripes

We all know that the tail stripe is not a 100% easy of telling ST from IT but why do so many of this new batch have so many with IT tail stripes

Mike I think you are taking this way to much to heart which is why I sent you a PM 1st asking you what you think about this new batch and if I have said anything bad about you I would like you to point it out please

T1 no worries for real man I happen to just see this on my own and I was going thru comments and saw what you said so I had to break your balls.

You did no harm and I only wanted to bust your balls alittle.

I will post some pictures tonight when I get home or if i even care to come back to this damn forum lol.

 

[classic-chassis]

Ive seen 30 vietnamese or cambodian D pulchers in person all in one order. First of all the price was not cheap, this was a year ago when they were brought in. They are 3 to 6 inches and all look like perfect st. Tell me how all 30 are hand picked indos?
They are always stable and are never hiding, the traits of a true st. Not such with a indo.
Wide bars do not have to come from thailand, remember if it looks like a duck and quack like a duck its probably a duck lol.

This is just my opinion on the subject.

Proof?

 

[classic-chassis]

IMO, they separate them, because Indo datnoid wasn't from the Mekong river. That's just simply my opinion, without any research to support.

That's exactly the opinion required for making the lines of distinction more fuzzy, and indos to be sold as pulcher (labeled vt, ct, st, stick it in you pipe and smoke it T)simply because they look good.
If the lines of distinction were scientifically as fuzzy, the Department of Fisheries would have already released thousands of indo into the water ways of thailand, in order to repopulate them with pulcher. Instead they sink loads of money into scientific research to try and get the last remaining ones to breed successfully. And yes, i have spoken to them, and i do know that they are breeding them at a scientific level, which is meeting with "limited success". That is official from the research centre.

 

[Kolossus]

I don't claim by any means to be an expert. But like I have said before on several threads, I HAVE SEEN UNSTABLE STs...YES true D. Pulchers that were unstable and not these controversial type tigers. Whoever says STs/CTs are always stable are, to be quite frank, WRONG (As Loubard has mentioned). Likewise, I have had great luck with Indos who are always stable...whether they be 3bar, 4bar, or oddball/controversials. Say what you want but I'd be damned if I buy a Vietnamese Pulcher for Pulcher prices that looks just like my always stable 3 bar ITs! I am with those who need a little bit more/better/true scientific evidence and still, I seriously doubt if I would spend major coin for what seems to me to be a 3bar Indo. And I am sure these so called Viet Pulchers are not new on the scene. So I don't see why they wouldn't have been mixed in with Indos throughout the years, making their identities even more fuzzy/controversial. Seems to me to be a ploy by the powers that be to get more money. But...to each their own...Just my two cents. Here is a video of one of my always stable 3bar Indos, ooops, I mean Vietnamese Pulchers...

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[DiXoN]

Not sure about that TBH. The terms ST, IT, D. Pulcher are not used in general.
They call Dats, Pla Sua Dor which translates as Fish tiger...... (not sure about the Dor right now).

I have asked about them at JJ which is a very big market and they are aware of the ST, IT labels.

This is worth a look.
http://www.datnoidstigerfish.org/beta-test-area.html

only for the info and pictures stolen from me (see the top of this forum) they even forgot to remove some of my references. stolen from datnioides.com my old site.

Now for all of your enjoyment (damn I miss him )

My picture is in that link!! I feel honered

Quality pic and tiger Koen, shame they had to steal pics and info.



Anyway back to the main point.

For a few years we the Datnoid community accepted that D pulcher also came from Cambodia hence the CT nickname (not controversial tiger i hate this term).
The majority of the D pulcher being shipped around the world before the collapse of these fish being for sale were from Cambodia.
Most of the CT had the true look of the Thai D Pulcher although more and more seemed to have some D microlepis traits.
Due to water quality issues and the influence of man in the Mekong where these fish were supposedly collected they became pretty much impossible to find, i've always hoped this would change if the area was left alone and these fish allowed time.
Anyway i don't think it's impossible that true D pulcher can be found elsewhere along the the Mekong i'm sure there will be fish be it in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia possibly and hopefully even in Thailand.
Do these supposedly Vietnamese D pulcher come from the south or from tributaries running from Thailand into Vietnam, instead of questioning each other we need to question the suppliers and find out where they are coming from. i know they won't confirm exactly where but at least some idea.
People also need to remember that like D microlepis who seem to have a few different variants due to locality which everyone seems to acknowledge as fact then why can't D pulcher.

The main problem as i stated before is this are these Vietnamese Datnoids actual D pulcher, forget ST,CT as this is a mute point are they pulcher and where are they from.

Another thing that bothers me is this, have they gave up trying to breed these fish and decided to look elsewhere, if so this could lead to the end of these fish completely.

Dixon

 

[jcardona1]

Has there been any progress made in this thread??????

This thread makes my head hurt. When ECZS was trying to bring in those dats, everybody here said they were IT. Now these days with have a fish IT stripes and ST tail being called a D. Pulcher

 

[LBathory]

Has there been any progress made in this thread??????

This thread makes my head hurt. When ECZS was trying to bring in those dats, everybody here said they were IT. Now these days with have a fish IT stripes and ST tail being called a D. Pulcher

of course not. this is MFK.

 

[jcardona1]

If this is a D. Pulcher, then I....heck, I don't know




This one I don't know about either

 

[DiXoN]

If this is a D. Pulcher, then I....heck, I don't know




This one I don't know about either

i would say they are both IT.

 

[DiXoN]

Has there been any progress made in this thread??????

This thread makes my head hurt. When ECZS was trying to bring in those dats, everybody here said they were IT. Now these days with have a fish IT stripes and ST tail being called a D. Pulcher

no we can't really make any progress on this thread due to lack of information, it's all opinion and speculation and just a discussion based on what we can see.

without any real facts we can't be sure of anything.