Basic Aquarium Filtration misunderstanding

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there are products to do so such as various media types that promote anaerobic growth. the only thing is you need to pump extremely slowly (turnover every 8-14 days) and need a dedicated reactor or chamber for it due to the nature of such bacteria. even then i would still do water changes for dissolved organics and hormones and so on.
 
I didn't read through all of the responses but I would like to weigh in.

It's true that most mechanical filters do not remove large particles, they just trap them. That is why we must clean our filters, removing those particles from the system. If you want a filter that actually removes suspended solids then you should look into a drum filter, which cleans itself.

And yes, clear water is a very hot topic in aquaculture. You have your "clear water guys" and your "green water guys" who disagree on which is best for the fish. As our understanding of the microbial communities in natural environments grows, we are learning that the presence of certain microbes can reduce the levels of pathogens by antagonizing them. This is not limited to the bacteria in the water, but also the communities found on the fish itself (especially slime). Corals have been shown to have hundreds of bacteria species living on them, many of which are beneficial.

Nitrification is of the utmost importance to artificial systems. However, it does leave nitrate as a result. Nitrate IS harmful, but not if the levels are low. How much is harmful depends on the species. In addition to being an endocrine disruptor, nitrate also blocks iodine from being used by the fish. Studies have shown that elevated nitrate can cause goiters that are indistinguishable from those caused by iodine deficiencies. For catsharks a nitrate level of approximately 70ppm has been demonstrated to cause goiters. In freshwater nitrate can be controlled by water changes and sometimes plants (though their ability to do this is often overstated). In saltwater however, water changes are less economical so more often you will see systems designed to have denitrification through bacteria. I wish we saw more of it in freshwater too. However, water changes are still important as they reduce the levels of other toxins and replenish lost minerals.
 
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i plan on doing aquaculture one day, all this is interesting. I plan on using aquaponics as chief nitrate removal but that also has its issues
 
I didn't read through all of the responses but I would like to weigh in.

It's true that most mechanical filters do not remove large particles, they just trap them. That is why we must clean our filters, removing those particles from the system. If you want a filter that actually removes suspended solids then you should look into a drum filter, which cleans itself.

And yes, clear water is a very hot topic in aquaculture. You have your "clear water guys" and your "green water guys" who disagree on which is best for the fish. As our understanding of the microbial communities in natural environments grows, we are learning that the presence of certain microbes can reduce the levels of pathogens by antagonizing them. This is not limited to the bacteria in the water, but also the communities found on the fish itself (especially slime). Corals have been shown to have hundreds of bacteria species living on them, many of which are beneficial.

Nitrification is of the utmost importance to artificial systems. However, it does leave nitrate as a result. Nitrate IS harmful, but not if the levels are low. How much is harmful depends on the species. In addition to being an endocrine disruptor, nitrate also blocks iodine from being used by the fish. Studies have shown that elevated nitrate can cause goiters that are indistinguishable from those caused by iodine deficiencies. For catsharks a nitrate level of approximately 70ppm has been demonstrated to cause goiters. In freshwater nitrate can be controlled by water changes and sometimes plants (though their ability to do this is often overstated). In saltwater however, water changes are less economical so more often you will see systems designed to have denitrification through bacteria. I wish we saw more of it in freshwater too. However, water changes are still important as they reduce the levels of other toxins and replenish lost minerals.
Question is, could we ever obtain the level of bacterial flaura found in nature within our own aquarium? Also, what negative bacterial are produced in this artificial environment that would never be found I'm nature? I believe it is this relationship that causes the demise of many fish deemed sensitive, especially black water species
 
There might not be such a diversity, and probably higher densities of bacteria present
 
I have never seen a Hydra, until I had a bacterial bloom. Now I have planar, free swimming cilia pods, routifers, copods, of what I can see with out magnification.
 
Question is, could we ever obtain the level of bacterial flaura found in nature within our own aquarium? Also, what negative bacterial are produced in this artificial environment that would never be found I'm nature? I believe it is this relationship that causes the demise of many fish deemed sensitive, especially black water species

Natural levels of bacteria are difficult to replicate because in a natural environment surface area, anoxic zones, and other specific habitats are often abundantly present and the amounts of bacteria are dependent on the bioload of the ecosystem. In our systems we often keep higher bioloads with fewer suitable areas for bacteria (of various types, but we're decent with regard to nitrification). We make incomplete ecosystems! I also believe that in most natural habitats there is more competition between different species and strains of bacteria, while in our tanks one type may dominate.

In regards to the negative bacteria, the same thing can occur. Wild habitats have lots of bacteria that constantly change with the environment such as temperature, conductivity, photoperiod (daylight hours), etc...not to mention the levels of other bacteria in the environment! Lots of bacteria antagonize or "bother" other bacteria, reducing their levels. Or one type may be outcompeted by another when the environment changes. This rarely happens in our tanks. We provide fairly stable parameters and rarely add new types of bacteria (since our water in chlorinated). This can allow certain types of bacteria to flourish. For example: Aeromonas is considered to be present in all natural freshwater ecosystems. It is never a primary fish pathogen in the wild. However, when fish are kept in very high densities it can cause a primary infection. This is just one example and don't freak out about aeromonads, the densities I'm talking about are like...50kg per cubic meter (depending on species).
 
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