bio filter media. i dont want to use scrubbies!

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mdb_talon;2647073; said:
Not arguing on whether this is good biomedia or not, but will point out there is a whole lot more to selection that square foot per gallon. If that was all there was too it you might as well use sand.

Things like water flow, available surface area, ease of clogging, how easy it is to remove, etc should all factor into the selection. Personally I like bioballs and scrubbies. They allow for very high water flow, very easy to pick out 1/4 of them at a time and clean them while leaving the others in there, hardly ever get clogged, etc. With many of these rocklike biomedia they have extremely high surface area but they prohibit water flow, clog easily, waste surface area (much more likely for large parts of the media to be smashed together and be "dead spots"), and in my opinion is harder to clean (assuming you want to just take like 1/4 of them out at a time to clean).

Anyway I think the various media have their place depending on the application, but there are many reasons to use things like scrubbies and bioballs other than being cheap :)

There is more to be considered than just square footage, but that doesn't make them more important. If you have good mechanical filtration, you don't have to worry about clogging. Also, if you have them placed right, you rarely have to take them out.

I don't recommend people for 2 main reasons:

1) They are square footage inefficient based on the weight
2) They are space inefficient base on the weight

If you feel like putting a humongous wet/dry on your tank then you have all that room so why not with pot scrubbies. But if you have less space to devote to bio media then a properly construct 3-stage set up with a high volume porous media is the superior choice.
 
cassharper;2647219; said:
There is more to be considered than just square footage, but that doesn't make them more important. If you have good mechanical filtration, you don't have to worry about clogging. Also, if you have them placed right, you rarely have to take them out.

I don't recommend people for 2 main reasons:

1) They are square footage inefficient based on the weight
2) They are space inefficient base on the weight

If you feel like putting a humongous wet/dry on your tank then you have all that room so why not with pot scrubbies. But if you have less space to devote to bio media then a properly construct 3-stage set up with a high volume porous media is the superior choice.


Mechanical filtration or not they will get clogged, especially if you dont occasionally get in clean a % of them. Also as it is clear to see much of their useful surface area is lost as they just create dead spaces.

Again it depends on the situation, but unquestionably much more than surface area needs to be considered. Again, if that was the only consideration then just poor sand in.
 
aspear;2648050; said:

Yes those will allow a higher rate of flow. In general the more bulky they are the more flow you will have and the more surface area that will not be smashed against eachother (which is surface area that wont be used).
 
aspear;2648050; said:


Wouldn't worry about flow rate with the biomedia. Type of media is gonna depend on what filter type you go with. There is no right or wrong, just what is best for your situation.

Actually sand is a very good bio media when used in fluidized bed filters.;)
 
aspear;2648108; said:
its fairly difficult to get water through compacted sand though!

Haha, but that was my point. I also dont like how hard it is to get water through things like http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+4136+4140+4327&pcatid=4327

Every situation is different there is definetely places for all the types of media. When I want to use small lightweight media I use feather rock. Very high surface area and can be carved to just about any size shape you want if you cant find it in the shape you want already. Unfortunately it clogs pretty easy every couple years I soak in potassium permanganate to clean it.
 
mdb_talon;2648135; said:
Haha, but that was my point. I also dont like how hard it is to get water through things like http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+4136+4140+4327&pcatid=4327

Every situation is different there is definetely places for all the types of media. When I want to use small lightweight media I use feather rock. Very high surface area and can be carved to just about any size shape you want if you cant find it in the shape you want already. Unfortunately it clogs pretty easy every couple years I soak in potassium permanganate to clean it.


Hmmm...seems to me if you don't know about something, then your really shouldn't be giving advise regarding it:screwy:
 
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