blue pike

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Walleye and Pike aren't even in the same family, let alone genus... no chance for hybridization, unless you aren't talking about Pike at all.
 
srikamaraja;2498513; said:
Walleye and Pike aren't even in the same family, let alone genus... no chance for hybridization, unless you aren't talking about Pike at all.
We're dealing with a Sander subspecies here, not an actual pike. The blue pike was a Sander vitreus, aka walleye, or "walleyed pike" subspecies. It kind of bugs me when people refer to them as "pike" as that often makes people think of Esox. That's why it's best to stray away from using only common names

I'd actually never heard of blue walleye until this thread, but I read up on them a little bit. This is the exact kind of thing I'd like to try to prevent in the future. My major passion is Lake Victorian species (I did a presentation on the ecological state of the lake and human impact on it for my ecology class a few weeks ago). They're being wiped out at an incredible rate. Right now I'm only an undergrad student, but I plan to work up to a doctorate in ichthyology and somehow try to fight these kinds of things
 
andyjs;2499063; said:
We're dealing with a Sander subspecies here, not an actual pike. The blue pike was a Sander vitreus, aka walleye, or "walleyed pike" subspecies. It kind of bugs me when people refer to them as "pike" as that often makes people think of Esox. That's why it's best to stray away from using only common names

I'd actually never heard of blue walleye until this thread, but I read up on them a little bit. This is the exact kind of thing I'd like to try to prevent in the future. My major passion is Lake Victorian species (I did a presentation on the ecological state of the lake and human impact on it for my ecology class a few weeks ago). They're being wiped out at an incredible rate. Right now I'm only an undergrad student, but I plan to work up to a doctorate in ichthyology and somehow try to fight these kinds of things

best of luck to you, very cool. lake victoria is a classic example of an ecological disaster, primarily due to the well-known piscivore introduction. interestingly, their socio-economic status has been greatly impacted by the Nile perch as well. unfortunately there will likely be no going back in that situation...at least until the Nile perch is fished out (latest stuff i had seen on it -this was a couple years back- indicated that populations were decreasing). that would be good for the endemic fishes, but there would likely be great fall-out with the people and socio-economic structure around the lake. definitely a complex situation--
--solomon
 
i caught one and ate it for real! unfortunatley i didnt realize that the grey colored walleye are blue pike and they are"extinct" but the guy i was fishing with told me he catches them actually quite often, this was east of presque isle on lake erie

i have a thread about it somewere
 
kafiltafiisch;2500776; said:
i caught one and ate it for real! unfortunatley i didnt realize that the grey colored walleye are blue pike and they are"extinct" but the guy i was fishing with told me he catches them actually quite often, this was east of presque isle on lake erie

i have a thread about it somewere

They are just grey colored walleyes, not real blue pike., they are extinct for real.
 
E_americanus;2500580; said:
best of luck to you, very cool. lake victoria is a classic example of an ecological disaster, primarily due to the well-known piscivore introduction. interestingly, their socio-economic status has been greatly impacted by the Nile perch as well. unfortunately there will likely be no going back in that situation...at least until the Nile perch is fished out (latest stuff i had seen on it -this was a couple years back- indicated that populations were decreasing). that would be good for the endemic fishes, but there would likely be great fall-out with the people and socio-economic structure around the lake. definitely a complex situation--
--solomon

I think it's sad and hilarious at the same time. The Nile Perch is introduced as a food source, successfully I might add. The Nile perch devastates the local fish populations in order to provide protein for the region's people. The people then destroy the invasive species population with overfishing.
 
ewurm;2501161; said:
I think it's sad and hilarious at the same time. The Nile Perch is introduced as a food source, successfully I might add. The Nile perch devastates the local fish populations in order to provide protein for the region's people. The people then destroy the invasive species population with overfishing.

a neglected issue in the "hilarity" of the situation, however, is that there are two major different groups of people involved. there are the local people who made use of the endemic species as its own fishery, and there are larger colonial/corporation type people who introduced the nile perch as a sport fish. the money made by the nile perch fishery primarily benefits the big corporation people, while the local people don't see much benefit at all...so now their native species are in decline AND their socio-economic status is not so great.

until the Nile perch is overfished to the point of not being a viable fishery, that fishery will still continue to be funded by the higher-ups and the state of the lake will remain in peril for people and fishes. although that sounds somewhat complex, even these comments are gross summaries of the situation in Lake Victoria; definitely a sad state of affairs--
--solomon
 
yeah thats what i said, i caught a grey walleye which is a blue pike thanks to the people who dont know what the difference between pike and walleye it was a "blue walleye"

grey walleye = blue pike
 
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